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Old 04-01-2008, 11:40 PM
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PokerStars Game #16418911874: Tournament #82982685, $0.10+$0.00 Hold'em No Limit - Level XXX (60000/120000) - 2008/04/01 - 18:38:54 (ET)
Table '82982685 277' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: 15tk (680680 in chips)
Seat 2: dtcruiser (618604 in chips)
Seat 3: Action519 (1998956 in chips)
Seat 4: LIMEYWANKER (1515953 in chips)
Seat 5: Nejib85 (1971979 in chips)
Seat 6: gutripper (31954 in chips)
Seat 8: Radacinda (456874 in chips)
Seat 9: HANSOLO57 (450000 in chips)
15tk: posts the ante 12000
dtcruiser: posts the ante 12000
Action519: posts the ante 12000
LIMEYWANKER: posts the ante 12000
Nejib85: posts the ante 12000
gutripper: posts the ante 12000
Radacinda: posts the ante 12000
HANSOLO57: posts the ante 12000
HANSOLO57: posts small blind 60000
15tk: posts big blind 120000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dtcruiser [Ks Ts]
dtcruiser: calls 120000
Action519: folds
LIMEYWANKER: folds
Nejib85: raises 360000 to 480000
Action519 said, ""
gutripper: calls 19954 and is all-in
Radacinda: folds
HANSOLO57: folds
15tk: folds
dtcruiser: calls 360000
*** FLOP *** [2h Qs Qd]
dtcruiser: checks
Nejib85: bets 480000
dtcruiser: calls 126604 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [2h Qs Qd] [4c]
*** RIVER *** [2h Qs Qd 4c] [9d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
dtcruiser: shows [Ks Ts] (a pair of Queens)
Nejib85: shows [9s Kc] (two pair, Queens and Nines)
dtcruiser said, "ooooooooooooooh"
Nejib85 collected 1313392 from side pot
gutripper: shows [7h Jc] (a pair of Queens)
Nejib85 collected 195770 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1509162 Main pot 195770. Side pot 1313392. | Rake 0
Board [2h Qs Qd 4c 9d]
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Just for the record so people dont say that was such a terrible play on my part, that guy was raising with anything the whole game(10-5, 7-6 etc) so I figured I had him...
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I think at that stage of the tournament and those blinds, I'd be thinking of folding or looking for a place to shove all-in.

Blinds and antes are massive, even the big stack only has about 7 full rounds.
So I think the fact that you have to pay the blinds next hand isnt so desperate.
I think I'd just fold.

I wouldn't call - but - If I did call and thought bigstack was playing trash, then I'd think of re-raising him preflop rather than calling. Youve committed your stack at that point so you'd be better going allin.
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I meant to ask how many was left. Then I saw in the chatbox that you came 7th so this was the final table.

Nice job on getting so far in a 5K field.

Myself, I think you played this hand when you had no need to get involved.
We've all done it at one time or other. I certainly have.

I don't think an allin UTG would be such a terrible play but with all those big stacks behind me I see no reason to. I still think you can fold and wait for a better place to get your chips in. I just can't see that a call here can do you much good.
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I meant to ask how many was left. Then I saw in the chatbox that you came 7th so this was the final table.

Nice job on getting so far in a 5K field.

Myself, I think you played this hand when you had no need to get involved.
We've all done it at one time or other. I certainly have.

I don't think an allin UTG would be such a terrible play but with all those big stacks behind me I see no reason to. I still think you can fold and wait for a better place to get your chips in. I just can't see that a call here can do you much good.
Yea it was a bad play in the way that it turned out but I figured he would call an allin but i just cant see folding a hand like that when its suited when playing at a table where there are only 2 types of players those that play really tight and those who play really agressive it may not have turned out the way I wanted it 2 but I would make the same play again if it came up because I just didnt want to ease farther into the money and then be drasticaly shortstacked once it gets down to 3-4 people but I see where your coming from with waiting for that monster that I could triple up with but Im not sure when that would come and if it would be too late so that it would be so insignifant of a win based on how many chips everyone else had but I just dont see how I could have played the rest of the tournament that would put me in good position because I was playing really tight I got all of my chips from JJ and AA and some from KK up until that point but I guess it was a bit of an agressive choice on that play..But if you could explain how I should have played the rest of the tourney I'd appreciate it (and sorry for this extremely long response)
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I'm not saying I'm right just posting an opinion


Anyway, here's what I think.
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Yea it was a bad play in the way that it turned out but I figured he would call an allin
If I thought he would callin an allin with a weaker hand then the obvious move would be to push allin preflop. The problem here is that there are so many players to play after you. I'd have no problem pushing allin with a KTs in an unoponed pot if my stack warranted that move.
If my stack is so low that I can't last much longer without doubling then
my bet maybe steals the blinds and antes(which in this case is 100K) OR I get a call and I still have a chance of winning the hand.
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but i just cant see folding a hand like that when its suited when playing at a table where there are only 2 types of players those that play really tight and those who play really agressive
I'm not sure what you mean by aggressive here. An aggressive player may well raise with weaker hands, particularly if he has a big stack. That doesn't necessarily mean an aggressive player will call a large raise with weaker hands.
Did you mean the players were loose?
The way I think about this is.
1. The table is tight player or aggressive players. If the tight players have a good hand, they will call and I'll be behind with my KT.
2. If the tight players don't have a hand they will fold, giving me a better chance of taking the pot down preflop if I push.
3. An aggressive player may well raise with weaker hands, as will a player who has a big stack.
4. A loose player may call with weaker hands.
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it may not have turned out the way I wanted it 2 but I would make the same play again if it came up because I just didnt want to ease farther into the money and then be drasticaly shortstacked once it gets down to 3-4 people
Yeah I totally agree with your mindset. Don't get low and go for the win but calling here is doing neither. It's eating away at your stack.
What do you do to a re-raise? I think the only move you can do is fold or go allin really.
If a tight player re-raises you then you're more than likely behind.
If one of the bigstack re-raises you - 1. You're probably behind or 2. You're playing for your whole stack with KTs if you decide to play on.
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but I see where your coming from with waiting for that monster that I could triple up with but Im not sure when that would come and if it would be too late so that it would be so insignifant of a win based on how many chips everyone else had
Well I wasn't saying you wait for a monster and get low. I was just saying that you may find a better spot to play.
Maybe you get an unopened pot and youre first to act with only a few players behind you.
Or maybe you can even make a significant re-raise from the BB or SB in the next 2 hands.
Both these examples seem better places to make chips than calling from UTG at a full table when there are larger stacks and with both tight and possibly loose players behind me.


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but I just dont see how I could have played the rest of the tournament that would put me in good position because I was playing really tight I got all of my chips from JJ and AA and some from KK up until that point but I guess it was a bit of an agressive choice on that play..But if you could explain how I should have played the rest of the tourney I'd appreciate it (and sorry for this extremely long response)
Well since you have been tight, then you're chances for making respected raises look favourable.
I don't think it was an aggressive choice on your part since you called preflop twice and then post flop.
It's just opinions on poker here. I'm not saying I'm right, I'm just saying what I think and what I've learned.
I think there are only two choices here preflop. Fold or make a big raise. I'd fold. By calling, you are losing one way of winning the pot immediately and in this situation you are really committing your whole stack by calling.
What do you do to a re-raise?
As for the rest of the tournament lol Well I'll take that as a a joke, which I'm sure it was.
I'd be trying my best to make chips by entering pots aggressively and/or in situations where I'm ahead or I'm not likely to get called hwne I do bet- either that or by miraculously getting dealt several monsters and having them hold up at pokerstars! Nahh, I'm dreaming.
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It didnt come across as hostile at all Captious
I hope my replies didnt come across that way either.

It seems that forthright poker discussion and personal opinions are sometimes read as hostile or belittling by some (referring to some other posts and not you personally Captious)
We do have members and leaders who say it like it is. They have a straight way of talking and enjoy a debate. I've personally learned a lot by reading some of those member's posts - and after all said and done it's a poker forum.

I've always liked reading the hand history posts and think I benefit by taking in the points raised, whether I agree with them or not.
If I post a hand history, I know that my poker decisions are open to discussion - and at times ridicule. Maybe unfortunately, I think we have all sometimes looked at a hand history post trying to spot where someone has gone wrong.
You can bet your life that a well played hand gets less forum replies than a badly played one
A very nicely played hand, a great bluff etc seldom gets responses. Not much to say other than - 'nice hand' (when we're really thinking 'well I do that sometimes too you know!' lol)
On the other hand...post a hand where you played absolutely stinking terribly...again you won't get replies - because we are all far too polite to embarrass the member.


In the wake of some other recent discussions on hand histories, I was just trying to be careful.
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Looking at the hand again. I think your play could be seen as a very nice move IF we ignore stack sizes.

Let's say you made this play against a loose-aggressive player in a cash game or in a heads up game ..let's say your stack size allows you to make a big re-raise on the flop ...and he folds. Great stuff.
Post that hand, and it either gets no responses or the odd person posts 'nice hand'
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