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I honestly done see where Mars is "Hating" on anyone. Bobcat put up a HH on a Poker discussion forum which is going to open up a discussion about either players play. When I read the hand (before even reading the rest of the posts) I wondered how Bobcat even made the reraise call after that flop, even at "these stakes".

Amen

With all due respect if you don't want to hear criticism maybe it is best not to post HH's. I mean for the love of god everyone is so damned touchy here.

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I would like to know two thing's. What place did Bobcat finish in? I play in a few 20$ SnG's and I think what Bobcat did here with that raise is a tell...I also would have put him on AK or a small PP..that bet said "dont call me"..but you got called and you did realize he hit his Q..calling his raise..you got lucky there Bobcat with that flush..Im curious to know if you didnt think he had you beat with a higher flush? None the less you won the hand so I dont know why you got touchy? I would have sighed with relief WHEW! if I had played that hand like that. I do love your luck in this hand!!

I agree with everything Chris has said in his post. Now..how about a lil game tonight Duece? We can all play..it would be fun!
Cali

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i stopped reading after mars' first post. the play was pretty bad for both players.

you find donks at all stakes. just there are less of them as you go higher up. also, you cant judge medium stakes or whatever $30 buyin is by a single tourney.

this forum is pretty unbearable not sure why i keep coming.

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I think both bobs and the other players play could be criticised but are we saying they both played badly?

I think bob raised too high preflop, I don't understand that raise.
He then made a decent stab at the pot on the flop and calls the re-raise.


Looking at the opponents play from his point of view and changing the ending..

PokerStars Game #16351854328: Tournament #82795511, $30+$3 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2008/03/30 - 00:00:29 (ET)
Table '82795511 1' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: 10hotbrakes (1160 in chips)
Seat 2: Cutterbill (2070 in chips)
Seat 5: Bobcat777 (1510 in chips)
Seat 6: localpro23 (2010 in chips)
Seat 7: CaJo (1705 in chips)
Seat 8: Honest Al 1 (3630 in chips)
Seat 9: billbaseball (1415 in chips)
localpro23: posts small blind 15
CaJo: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Bobcat777 [5h 5c]
Honest Al 1: folds
billbaseball: folds
10hotbrakes: calls 30
Cutterbill: folds
Bobcat777: raises 180 to 210 (Let's say I put Bob on exactly what he has - a small pair)
localpro23: folds
CaJo: folds
10hotbrakes: calls 180 (I call, hoping to see a favourable flop and hoping to outplay the opponent. It's early in the tourney. It's a risky play but maybe I can take Bob off the pot and set myself up for a good tourney)
*** FLOP *** [Qd 8h Th]
10hotbrakes: checks (I've hit top pair, I possibly think Bob's missed. I'm thinking of a check-raise)
Bobcat777: bets 350

(Would Bob raise preflop that high with AQ,TT,QQ,KK, AA or any of the straight possibilties that fit that flop? Possibly not.
I could possibly put Bob on 8-8 and I'm beat but does his bet of 350 fit with 8-8? Maybe, but maybe not.
An underpair seems to fit, so I'm possibly ahead?....other holdings for bob aren't too worrying.
If I raise here, what can Bob put me on? Since I called such a large bet preflop some big hands fit. I think I can steal here and represent AQ,TT,AKs,KK,AA,QQ..etc)
10hotbrakes: raises 600 to 950 and is all-in
Bobcat777: Folds

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Responding first to the subject, I have to disagree. I have played in over 1300 SnGs on PokerStars in the buy ins from $3 to $50, most of them the single table type. I found that most players at the $3 level, to be terrible and easy pick'ns, but you have to play so many games to make it worth while its not really worth the time you spend. The $5 and $10 level is a little better as far as players ability. You will still have 2 or 3 really poor players, and the others competent. The $15 turbos are like playing in th $3 buy-ins, and if your patient with a little luck you should be able to cash most of the time. The $20 and $50 level have mostly good to above average players, and a tight/aggressive player should do well in them.

In your case, I can understand why you made this post. The guy should never have called your pre-flop raise. Only he knows why he did, but he did. After the flop and his re-raise, I would have folded. Sure you lost some chips early on but the blinds were still low and a good player should be able to recover.

Now, playing that small pp as you did early in the tourny, with small blinds, was a head scratcher. Were you trying to seal $45 in blinds? If so, why. It doesen't make sense to me. Your better off just limping in and win a nice pot if you hit the flop or folding and losing $30 if you don't hit. Calling any re-raise with that board was foolish IMO, but you got lucky. I'm sure PS owed you that one, at least one time.

I hope you just listen to the different opinions offered here, even if critical of your play. Thats why we join these forums, to get different points of view and take them for what they are worth. Don't take te criticism personally. Some people have a more subtle approach, while others are more direct. I don't see anyone being mean here and hope you will continue to make new posts or respond to otheres threads. It can only be helpful to all.

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1st, I was just not going to respond again to this post, but, I will explain my thinking. Poker Ref, , let me say, on a personal level, your posts are always the best. Respectful, helpful, never mean spirited, and often right on the money. Now, here is my side. 10 hot brakes limps in . ( strange even to limp with such a crappy hand, mid as you don't know what raises you will face) betting gets to me, as an unraised pot, on the button. I have 5's. not a great hand, but there have been no raises. how strong can one limper be? I actually was goning to raise to 110, as the pot stood at 75, but I hit the 2 instead by mistake, so mow I have typed in 210 for a raise of 180. Too much, but oh well, I guess all might fold. 10hot calls, but does not re raise. flop is qd 8 h t h. 10hot checks. Okay, what does he limp in with, call with then check? My best guess is A rag. How ever I have shown pre flop strength, and bet 350 on that flop, into a check, and pot is now 815. He re raises all in, which puts pot at 1765. OK, I still think A rag, but maybe a flush draw now as well, and he wants me to just go away. I feel the pot is worth the call, and make it. A few beer makes me ask him is he is "crazy", because, again, how do you make that pre flop call? it's just not worth it. I can repect the opinion that I also did not play that hand well. I got lucky to win, but honestly, it should have nevver gone to a flop. My over raise (oops) should have picked up the pot of $75.. and the game should have moved on. That is my side, like it or not, repect it or not. I posted in anger, which is never a good idea.