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PokerStars Game #16065776397: Tournament #81341499, $1.50+$0.25 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) - 2008/03/18 - 09:53:34 (ET)
Table '81341499 2' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: BAZhuk (2990 in chips)
Seat 2: matze2638324 (8665 in chips)
Seat 3: fabinho_play (2155 in chips)
Seat 4: Shazza44 (3555 in chips)
Seat 5: noserider9ft (275 in chips)
Seat 6: DarioM88 (6435 in chips)
Seat 8: menno01 (485 in chips)
Seat 9: CardLovinCat (2440 in chips)
BAZhuk: posts the ante 25
matze2638324: posts the ante 25
fabinho_play: posts the ante 25
Shazza44: posts the ante 25
noserider9ft: posts the ante 25
DarioM88: posts the ante 25
menno01: posts the ante 25
CardLovinCat: posts the ante 25
DarioM88: posts small blind 100
menno01: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to CardLovinCat [2s 2d]
CardLovinCat: calls 200
BAZhuk: folds
matze2638324: calls 200
fabinho_play: folds
Shazza44: calls 200
noserider9ft: raises 50 to 250 and is all-in
DarioM88: folds
menno01: raises 150 to 400
CardLovinCat: calls 200
matze2638324: calls 200
Shazza44: calls 200
*** FLOP *** [7h 8s 2h]
menno01: checks
CardLovinCat: bets 1000
matze2638324: folds
Shazza44: calls 1000
menno01: calls 60 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [7h 8s 2h] [2c]
CardLovinCat: checks
Shazza44: checks
*** RIVER *** [7h 8s 2h 2c] [6h]
CardLovinCat: bets 1015 and is all-in
Shazza44: calls 1015
*** SHOW DOWN ***
CardLovinCat: shows [2s 2d] (four of a kind, Deuces)
Shazza44: shows [Th 8h] (a flush, Ten high)
CardLovinCat collected 3910 from side pot-2
menno01: shows [Tc Qd] (a pair of Deuces)
CardLovinCat collected 780 from side pot-1
noserider9ft: shows [8c 7s] (two pair, Eights and Sevens)
CardLovinCat collected 1550 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 6240 Main pot 1550. Side pot-1 780. Side pot-2 3910. | Rake 0
Board [7h 8s 2h 2c 6h]
Seat 1: BAZhuk folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: matze2638324 folded on the Flop
Seat 3: fabinho_play folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Shazza44 showed [Th 8h] and lost with a flush, Ten high
Seat 5: noserider9ft (button) showed [8c 7s] and lost with two pair, Eights and Sevens
Seat 6: DarioM88 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: menno01 (big blind) showed [Tc Qd] and lost with a pair of Deuces
Seat 9: CardLovinCat showed [2s 2d] and won (6240) with four of a kind, Deuces

Just as I was hoping...he was chasing a flush!!

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I have two thoughts on the hand. Not saying I'm right, just my thoughts and I hope someone will discuss it further.

Firstly, I think I may fold UTG here.
After that, I'm probably calling to see a flop as you did.
Great flop, but I'd bet more on the flop if I thought he was drawing.
I think my stack is going in regardless there, so I'd go allin and give him the chance to make a mistake when he calls- or grab the pot as it stands.

Here he gets over 3 to 1 to call his draw. If he hits his flush then we're cursing our luck if we don't improve.

Nice hand though. Nice play on the turn and river and a great pot

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Thank you.

The reason I called UTG was because there were 2 short stacks (one was the BB) that would likely piggy back if enough people were in the pot. I wanted to see the flop if it didn't cost me too much. As it turned out it is exactly what happened and luckily a very good turnout for me.

I understand what you are saying about the flop bet. I hate committing my whole stack. I did half and hoped to better my hand or at least not see a straight or flush hit on the turn. I knew I would commit my stack or not after seeing what the turn brought. Quite frankly if a flush or straight hit I would have folded to an all-in. But, I think you are right looking back at it. I had better than half my chips in and the blinds and antes would have taken a fast toll on me.

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I get this the first hand of the very next game.

PokerStars Game #16067380447: Tournament #81352416, $1.50+$0.25 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2008/03/18 - 11:46:18 (ET)
Table '81352416 1' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Bexeboy (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: Oksch07 (1500 in chips)
Seat 3: ibo110 (1500 in chips)
Seat 4: brinki22 (1500 in chips)
Seat 5: LUCKYFQSB (1500 in chips)
Seat 6: wendymausi (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: rcjacob (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: CardLovinCat (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: faxe1234 (1500 in chips)
Oksch07: posts small blind 10
ibo110: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to CardLovinCat [9s 9d]
brinki22: raises 40 to 60
LUCKYFQSB: calls 60
wendymausi: folds
rcjacob: folds
CardLovinCat: calls 60
faxe1234: calls 60
Bexeboy: folds
Oksch07: calls 50
ibo110: folds
*** FLOP *** [Jh 9c 9h]
Oksch07: checks
brinki22: bets 120
LUCKYFQSB: calls 120
CardLovinCat: calls 120
faxe1234: calls 120
Oksch07: calls 120
*** TURN *** [Jh 9c 9h] [Kh]
Oksch07: checks
brinki22: bets 220
LUCKYFQSB: calls 220
CardLovinCat: calls 220
faxe1234: calls 220
Oksch07: calls 220
*** RIVER *** [Jh 9c 9h Kh] [5c]
Oksch07: checks
brinki22: checks
LUCKYFQSB: checks
CardLovinCat: bets 1100 and is all-in
faxe1234: folds
Oksch07: calls 1100 and is all-in
brinki22: folds
LUCKYFQSB: calls 1100 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
CardLovinCat: shows [9s 9d] (four of a kind, Nines)
Oksch07: shows [Ts Qs] (a straight, Nine to King)
LUCKYFQSB: shows [Ah Th] (a flush, Ace high)
CardLovinCat collected 5320 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5320 | Rake 0
Board [Jh 9c 9h Kh 5c]
Seat 1: Bexeboy (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Oksch07 (small blind) showed [Ts Qs] and lost with a straight, Nine to King
Seat 3: ibo110 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: brinki22 folded on the River
Seat 5: LUCKYFQSB showed [Ah Th] and lost with a flush, Ace high
Seat 6: wendymausi folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: rcjacob folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: CardLovinCat showed [9s 9d] and won (5320) with four of a kind, Nines
Seat 9: faxe1234 folded on the River

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lol. limp UTG with 12BB then underbet the flop? Really going to fold turn with 2.5BB left ? You know you commit yourself to the hand on the flop since you have odds to call any bad card on turn with hopes of filling up. Then the next hand you don't make people pay to chase draws. Luckily for you they both hit and stacked off when they shouldn't have.

Terrible plays imo.

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Why would you say the 2nd hand is a terrible play Fermion?

I think I may of re-raised on the turn but not necessarily. The small bet from Brinki and call from Lucky on the turn doesn't suggest great strength here(or it possibly suggests a made hand, which is fine too)
The players behind are getting great odds to call if theyve hit anything.

How are you playing this hand so differently from CardLovinCat to make your play a good one and her play terrible?

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Much of my seemingly passive play was due to very active agressive play by the players most of the game. I could almost count on raises and betting without letting on to a good hand. Maybe greed on my part, but everyone played as they had been much to my benefit.

On the second game the board was too scarey and I didn't want to chase people off. Very little possibility of beating my hand and wanted them to improve theirs.

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Just an added note: I didn't think he was on a draw (str8 or flush) until he called my flop bet.

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well obviously the way the table is playing matters, but generally i think it's a bad play and a common mistake. the flop is about as drawy as it gets with a pair on board. J99 two hearts. no one else has a 9. more likely for people to have a draw than a J, also more likely for them to call off bigger bets with a draw than a J.

you slowplay till the riv and they won't call a single bet. you extract more value by stringing them along and have them call bets drawing dead.

of course if 5 people get into the pot and two of them hit their draw and stack off on a paired flop then yea slowplay may be best.

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