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Old 02-11-2008, 08:10 PM
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PokerStars Game #15213479084: Tournament #77069340, $11+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level XVI (2000/4000) - 2008/02/11 - 13:10:56 (ET)
Table '77069340 16' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: Matze071183 (57993 in chips)
Seat 2: ODI251180 (20936 in chips)
Seat 5: schloot (68299 in chips)
Seat 6: Scottishben (36346 in chips)
Seat 8: Miss_Biggy (3522 in chips)
Seat 9: allchips3 (82904 in chips)
Matze071183: posts the ante 400
ODI251180: posts the ante 400
schloot: posts the ante 400
Scottishben: posts the ante 400
Miss_Biggy: posts the ante 400
allchips3: posts the ante 400
allchips3: posts small blind 2000
Matze071183: posts big blind 4000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Scottishben [4c Ac]
ODI251180: folds
schloot: folds
Scottishben: raises 4000 to 8000
Miss_Biggy: folds
allchips3: folds
Matze071183: calls 4000
*** FLOP *** [Js 8c 3s]
Matze071183: checks
Scottishben: bets 27946 and is all-in
Matze071183: folds
Scottishben collected 20400 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 20400 | Rake 0
Board [Js 8c 3s]
Seat 1: Matze071183 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: ODI251180 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: schloot folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Scottishben collected (20400)
Seat 8: Miss_Biggy (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: allchips3 (small blind) folded before Flop

this is the type of play that you cannot do very often or you will get called. NOT SURE if this was the right time to make it though. I can bet small but my sense of this guy is that he will calll low bets often or even reraise sometimes and I dont want those things to happen. I think it unlikely the way he has been playing that he would slowplay but trips etc cannot be ruled out.

came second in the end for 395 or so which is not bad for my first day back playing after 6 weeks offline - was doing ok in my other tourneys and would
have had a decent win in a 20$ TABLE if i had not been outdrawn qq v 9a on 9xx.

Anyway do you think this play is bad here - not sure about it
  
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With blinds so high, I'd be more inclined to reraise all in or fold preflop, from villains perspective (or, a stop-n-go play would also work).

As for your play: The thing I hate about all in bluffs (from the perspective of the bluffed) is the fact that you can't try to take the pot back by going over the top. Even if you know your opponent is weak (and has A high, say), if you have a slightly lesser hand (let's put your opponent on KQ), they are pretty much forced to fold. The only way to combat this play is to make sure your opponent isn't allowed to do it. Well...he allowed you to do it, and you made the right move in exploiting it.
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Great analysis mars, I had a hard time coming up with a decision what i thought about it.

When the blinds are high I like to work most things out preflop, I would probably have shoved allin preflop. A minraise looks really strong to me when the blinds are high so it's a good play as you can represent something like that.


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I'm sure you portray yourself as a tight player to pull that off. With the pot at 20k and you having 28k left you needed to bet out hoping he hit nothing. If he was calling the smaller bets you had little recourse because any pot size bet would have left you pot committed.
He called your minimum pre-flop raise because he was in the BB and hoped to catch a flop. Most of the time he won't, and even if he caught 2nd or bottom pair, he may not be willing to call there with your overbet. Very risky move but it worked. Thats all that matters.
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