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Old 02-03-2008, 09:48 PM
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PokerStars Game #15036173140: Tournament #75442598, Freeroll Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (400/800) - 2008/02/03 - 15:45:50 (ET)
Table '75442598 169' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: ItsADAMyay (24915 in chips)
Seat 2: plug nickel (24792 in chips)
Seat 3: simen6 (19030 in chips)
Seat 4: FritsPhilips (2500 in chips)
Seat 5: zabinho (8316 in chips)
Seat 6: xXGlynn (16032 in chips)
Seat 7: doorie (15385 in chips)
Seat 8: Zeplike (4500 in chips)
Seat 9: Captious (19930 in chips)
ItsADAMyay: posts the ante 50
plug nickel: posts the ante 50
simen6: posts the ante 50
FritsPhilips: posts the ante 50
zabinho: posts the ante 50
xXGlynn: posts the ante 50
doorie: posts the ante 50
Zeplike: posts the ante 50
Captious: posts the ante 50
zabinho: posts small blind 400
xXGlynn: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Captious [Kh Kc]
doorie: folds
Zeplike: folds
Captious: raises 2400 to 3200
ItsADAMyay: folds
plug nickel: folds
simen6: folds
FritsPhilips: folds
zabinho: calls 2800
xXGlynn: raises 12782 to 15982 and is all-in
Captious: calls 12782
zabinho: calls 5066 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [4d Ah Qs]
*** TURN *** [4d Ah Qs] [5h]
*** RIVER *** [4d Ah Qs 5h] [3c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
xXGlynn: shows [Qd Qc] (three of a kind, Queens)
Captious: shows [Kh Kc] (a pair of Kings)
xXGlynn collected 15432 from side pot
zabinho: shows [As 4s] (two pair, Aces and Fours)
xXGlynn collected 25248 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 40680 Main pot 25248. Side pot 15432. | Rake 0
Board [4d Ah Qs 5h 3c]
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Why not? You can't blame him for his play (I'm sure yours would have been the same if you'd held the QQ and he had the KK), just another 2 outer that we all see every day.

Look at it from a mathmatics point of view... every now and again you'll lose to a 3 outer and every now and again you'll lose to a 2 outer. While you did get 2 outed, even if you hadn't your other opponent would have 3 outed you with the A on the flop. If you believe mathmatics even out over the long run that may mean you'll be able to avoid a 3 outer at some point since an irrelivent 3 outer hit this hand...
  
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Why not? You can't blame him for his play (I'm sure yours would have been the same if you'd held the QQ and he had the KK), just another 2 outer that we all see every day.

Look at it from a mathmatics point of view... every now and again you'll lose to a 3 outer and every now and again you'll lose to a 2 outer. While you did get 2 outed, even if you hadn't your other opponent would have 3 outed you with the A on the flop. If you believe mathmatics even out over the long run that may mean you'll be able to avoid a 3 outer at some point since an irrelivent 3 outer hit this hand...
I guess you are right...Except I wouldnt reraise allin with QQ I would have called and then on the flop if there were not any over cards then I would have gone allin but I get what you are saying that alot of people would play it like he did but the fact still remains that the odds of that happening are highly highly unlikely..
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I agree with fink , nothing wrong with anyones play here. The cards did'nt fall like u hoped they would but sometimes u just chalk it up to the luck part of poker. I most likely would have played the QQ strongly as well....
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but the fact still remains that the odds of that happening are highly highly unlikely..
Not true, and that is why the game of poker drives so many people crazy. In this hand you were barely above a coinflip to scoop the pot preflop (53%). Even if if had been your KK vs QQ without the other guy in the pot you'd be at 80% which as far as poker goes is about as good as it gets. the problem is, many people see the numbers and don't really give much thought to what it actually means. It means that 1 out of every 5 times you are going to lose, but people even take that well out of context. It is not highly unlikely that you are going to lose an 80%er, you are going to lose a full 20% of the time.

You started the hand with 20,000 chips so let me ask you, how many all in hands were you a part of previously in the tourny which actually held up? From a simple mathmatics point of view, were you "due" to lose? The reason poker drives so many people crazy is that when they have an 80%er lose, they react as if they unbelievably lost a 10 or 20-1 shot. 20%ers are far from "highly unlikely", in fact they are so common that most poker players see many of them every day.
  
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I guess you are right...Except I wouldnt reraise allin with QQ I would have called and then on the flop if there were not any over cards then I would have gone allin but I get what you are saying that alot of people would play it like he did but the fact still remains that the odds of that happening are highly highly unlikely..
thought you had nothing to say...j/k

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