MORE DONKS RULE AT POKERSTARS

WHY I HATE POKER. Too many players who use the "play bad, get lucky" philosophy. Don't know how much more I can take.

PokerStars Game #14890880050: Tournament #75464094, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (300/600) - 2008/01/28 - 16:01:26 (ET)
Table '75464094 1' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: 1988PG (7390 in chips)
Seat 5: PokerRef (11305 in chips)
Seat 6: smutminer (8305 in chips)
1988PG: posts the ante 50
PokerRef: posts the ante 50
smutminer: posts the ante 50
smutminer: posts small blind 300
1988PG: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PokerRef [Ad Ac]
PokerRef: raises 600 to 1200
smutminer: calls 900
1988PG: calls 600
*** FLOP *** [6s Kh 8d]
smutminer: checks
1988PG: bets 1800
PokerRef: raises 8255 to 10055 and is all-in
smutminer: folds
1988PG: calls 4340 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [6s Kh 8d] [9c]
*** RIVER *** [6s Kh 8d 9c] [5h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
1988PG: shows [5d 8h] (two pair, Eights and Fives)
PokerRef: shows [Ad Ac] (a pair of Aces)
1988PG collected 16030 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 16030 | Rake 0
Board [6s Kh 8d 9c 5h]
Seat 1: 1988PG (big blind) showed [5d 8h] and won (16030) with two pair, Eights and Fives
Seat 5: PokerRef (button) showed [Ad Ac] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 6: smutminer (small blind) folded on the Flop

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Minimum raise preflop was the first mistake... aside from that 5 outers aren't uncommon.

Maybe it was a minimum raise here Fink but I have to agree with Ref here. That guy had no reason even being in the hand pre or post flop. Honestly God only knows why he called. Maybe temporary insanity, at least my guess. Seriously how had you been playing up to this point?

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Don't think you can make me look like a fool because I have that part under control.

Minimum raise invites him to take a look, but I can't believe he called the all in for his tournament life, cuz the 8 hit, with a crappy kicker, and a king on the board. That was just a jack ass move that the river rewarded, IMO.

He had every reason to be in the hand preflop... there was 3150 in the pot and 600 to call when he already has 650 invested. Absolutely nothing wrong with the preflop call. What does an UTG minimum raise mean in a 3 handed game at the end of an 18 man sng? Means he could have absolutely anything.
Why can't you believe it when you see it every day? More often than not, in these games you are not playing against poker players... you are playing against people playing poker. HUGE differance. Had the 20%er not come Ref would have said "cool" and never thought about it again.

Look at it this way... if these people weren't as bad as they are, we probably wouldn't find ourselves as chip leader in the final 3 of 18 man sngs quite as often as we do. Oftentimes it is play just like this guys that gets us to that point, so why complain about it when it backfires?

WHY YOU HATE POKER is also the reason you are able to turn a profit.

I agree with Deuce...surely PokerRef was gonna clean the floor with his butt at the flop...you have to figure Ref for a set of Kings or AA at minimum a pair of Kings are you gonna are you gonna risk that many chips on a RR str8? ...58, I would not have limped with that hand!...but I think I know the answer on why he did it and I also know the player...he is in this post:
http://www.texasholdemforums.com/lou...tml#post165080 (What Is the Best Poker Quote Of all Time?)

Fink once again ur stupid little head gets in the way of making sane comments to people. Stop belittling people and the way they play there cards. I took a look at the hand and pokeref from what i see trapped this player for all the chips, it is called a 5 outer u clueless monkey. Pokerref excellent play! Just very unfortunate, you played your hand extremely well. It is called being a 80/20 favorite about the best odds ur going to get against someone after the flop. Keep playing like that pokerref you will win in the long run man. They cannot rob you everytime, and usually the math works out in the end, keep getting these donkeys in bad and you will bank there money more than often.

I have no problem with someone playing any hand when theres a min raise. Its why I did it. Any larger raise and players woul fold, unless they were also holding something exceptional, then there would be a re-raise or all-in. I wanted action and got it, with both players calling. The flop was a good one for me, and I went all in. But I really don't see why he would call it with 2nd pair. He was not pot committed and still had a fair chip stack to continue with. At that point in the tourny,it's a true donk play, and his Sharkscope stats show his true playing ability.

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right on pokerref you played ur hand fantastic. you got maximum value out of your hand, which means you had your oppenents completely fooled. Let them keep calling with that, more money for us.