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Old 11-04-2007, 05:45 AM
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I'd like to know what I should have done here before I tell you what I did? I run into this all the time and I am asking for help here.
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PokerStars Game #13027845120: Tournament #65234559, $20+$2 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2007/11/04 - 00:33:08 (ET)
Table '65234559 52' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: rebelnr1 (4410 in chips)
Seat 2: TheWeapon007 (4010 in chips)
Seat 3: Fat Stack213 (3045 in chips)
Seat 4: whatLOSER19 (920 in chips)
Seat 5: CalifNaughti (2340 in chips)
Seat 6: bezze (1625 in chips)
Seat 7: wezer (4975 in chips)
Seat 8: chriscorn (1259 in chips)
Seat 9: forbesmcH (2065 in chips)
bezze: posts small blind 25
wezer: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to CalifNaughti [Qd Js]
chriscorn: folds
forbesmcH: folds
rebelnr1: folds
TheWeapon007: folds
Fat Stack213: folds
whatLOSER19: raises 150 to 200
CalifNaughti: calls 200
bezze: calls 175
wezer: folds
*** FLOP *** [Jd Ah Th]
bezze: bets 300
whatLOSER19: raises 420 to 720 and is all
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Fold. Preferably preflop but on the flop with the action in front of you there really is no question.
  
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I fold. If you chase your str8 you could be beat by someone chasing a flush. You have 2nd pr and up against two others with an Ace on board. Your not heavily invested. Cut your loses and move on.
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Ok...I did fold. So I did play this correctly then. Why would I fold it preflop..Im just curious on your response..I think I already know it but I want to be sure. Theres the rest of the HH

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PokerStars Game #13027845120: Tournament #65234559, $20+$2 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2007/11/04 - 00:33:08 (ET)
Table '65234559 52' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: rebelnr1 (4410 in chips)
Seat 2: TheWeapon007 (4010 in chips)
Seat 3: Fat Stack213 (3045 in chips)
Seat 4: whatLOSER19 (920 in chips)
Seat 5: CalifNaughti (2340 in chips)
Seat 6: bezze (1625 in chips)
Seat 7: wezer (4975 in chips)
Seat 8: chriscorn (1259 in chips)
Seat 9: forbesmcH (2065 in chips)
bezze: posts small blind 25
wezer: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to CalifNaughti [Qd Js]
chriscorn: folds
forbesmcH: folds
rebelnr1: folds
TheWeapon007: folds
Fat Stack213: folds
whatLOSER19: raises 150 to 200
CalifNaughti: calls 200
bezze: calls 175
wezer: folds
*** FLOP *** [Jd Ah Th]
bezze: bets 300
whatLOSER19: raises 420 to 720 and is all-in
CalifNaughti: folds
bezze: calls 420
*** TURN *** [Jd Ah Th] [Kh]
*** RIVER *** [Jd Ah Th Kh] [Qs]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
bezze: shows [Tc Jc] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
whatLOSER19: shows [Ad As] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
bezze collected 1045 from pot
whatLOSER19 collected 1045 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2090 | Rake 0
Board [Jd Ah Th Kh Qs]
Seat 1: rebelnr1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: TheWeapon007 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Fat Stack213 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: whatLOSER19 showed [Ad As] and won (1045) with a straight, Ten to Ace
Seat 5: CalifNaughti (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: bezze (small blind) showed [Tc Jc] and won (1045) with a straight, Ten to Ace
Seat 7: wezer (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: chriscorn folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: forbesmcH folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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its 4 BB to you preflop, you must assume you are behind to a pair or a high ace. if you hit your Q or you jack, do you know that your ahead? he could easily have A-J/A-Q, JJ, QQ, KK, or AA. This is the kind of situation where you lose a lot of money.

in this situation (raise in front of you, you're in position pre and post flop) the only hands I tend to call with are suited connectors 10-9 or lower, pocket pairs or A-Q or higher. You could also play high suited cards hoping to hit a flush draw on the flop. The reason for calling with suited connectors and pocket pairs is its easy to know if you if you are ahead or behind. If you flop an open ended+flush draw with your connectors you are a favorite, but if you whiff completely you can fold with no tough decisions. When you play suited connectors you are looking to flop trips/ two pair or have 12 outs or better with flush and straight draws. The same goes if you call with 66 or any other pocket pair. If you hit a set you will be paid off in position unless they hit a monster. With a raise in front of me preflop, I tend to play only reraising cards (AA, KK, QQ, JJ, AK) or call with hands that can hit the flop huge (pairs and suited connectors).

For this specific hand, the person making the preflop raised is short stacked, so you know hes probably going all in on the flop no matter what comes. In this situation I fold anything but AA, KK, QQ, JJ, or AK. But I raise with those cards preflop to narrow his range down and elimate others from playing the hand. You must take into account stack sizes for every hand you play.

If the stacks are deeper, I tend to call with a much wider range when in position. For example if I limp into a pot (rarely do it) I will call any reasonable raise from the blinds preflop if I have a dangerous hand. Position is key, but your start hands need to be able to hit big. QJ off will not hit it big unless you hit two pair/trips/a straight. You are limited to that. But if you hit a pair you have no idea where you are.

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good post well stated chilli


One of the main problems with qj is that it is so easily dominated by hands that you will likely be up against (KJ, AJ, KQ, AQ, JJ, QQ etc) if you really hit a hand (ak10) your sorted but otherwise you are in a weak situation better to play lower suited connectors if you want to chase long or leave well alone.
  
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