Bad?

Ok, start of a tourney and the table is very loose. I limp preflop and I think I'll get pretty good odds for my call. I hope to hit a flop and make some chips while they are flying.

Not a hand I'm proud of, but is it so bad?

I did put him on more or less what he had...well.. pockets of some sort anyway.

PokerStars Game #7982007584: Tournament #40785803, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2007/01/17 - 09:15:39 (ET)
Table '40785803 8' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: zindogs (1770 in chips)
Seat 2: SAWTOOTH2 (1340 in chips)
Seat 3: gallero4485 (1370 in chips)
Seat 4: timeflight (1470 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 5: danardodd (1730 in chips)
Seat 6: luckyger (1500 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 7: axlos (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: 7letters (1320 in chips)
Seat 9: RamzesDK (1500 in chips)
danardodd: posts small blind 10
luckyger: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 7letters [As 6s]
axlos: folds
7letters: calls 20
RamzesDK: folds
zindogs: raises 60 to 80
SAWTOOTH2: calls 80
gallero4485: folds
timeflight: folds
danardodd: folds
luckyger: folds
danardodd is sitting out
7letters: calls 60
*** FLOP *** [2s 4h 7s]
7letters: bets 180
zindogs: calls 180
SAWTOOTH2: raises 180 to 360
7letters: calls 180
zindogs: calls 180
*** TURN *** [2s 4h 7s] [Qh]
7letters: checks
zindogs: checks
SAWTOOTH2: bets 400
7letters: calls 400
zindogs: folds
*** RIVER *** [2s 4h 7s Qh] [7h]
7letters: checks
SAWTOOTH2: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
7letters: shows [As 6s] (a pair of Sevens)
SAWTOOTH2: shows [8d 8s] (two pair, Eights and Sevens)
SAWTOOTH2 collected 2150 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2150 | Rake 0
Board [2s 4h 7s Qh 7h]
Seat 1: zindogs folded on the Turn
Seat 2: SAWTOOTH2 showed [8d 8s] and won (2150) with two pair, Eights and Sevens
Seat 3: gallero4485 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: timeflight (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: danardodd (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: luckyger (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: axlos folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: 7letters showed [As 6s] and lost with a pair of Sevens
Seat 9: RamzesDK folded before Flop (didn't bet)

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nah, he didnt really raise too much preflop, i would have played it and you tested on the flop, not bad. it looks like u played it right to me, im not exaclty sure i would have played it that early, but since you did, you played it well. now just buckle down and build ur stack for the run

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I buckled and broke lol

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UTG+1 in a loose game I might fold this, but would definately call in late position.I would play the flop the same as you and call the turn as I'd be getting 4.3 to 1 to hit my 4.1 to 1 draw. On the river I shut down too.

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I have no problem with the pre and post flop play, but I don't think I would call the 400 right there. I think in that position you need to either push all in (sorry, too lazy to figure out how much more it would be) or fold, simple as that. Make it look like you have a pocket pair as well, if you're called you still got outs.

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Fault always lies in the same place, my fine babies: with him weak enough to lay blame.

Yeh, I can see your point mars.

I have odds to call the 400 just for my flush draw. If I miss, I'm getting shortstacked but not desperate.

I put him on pockets or a pair really. So the re-raise allin might suggest itself...but ...nahh i don't like it much lol
I could go along with the fold in that situation though.

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The problem with going strictly by odds in tourneys is that they aren't cash games. Allow me to explain further. Let's say you're playing 1/2 NL, and in the current hand you pick up a flush draw on the turn. The pot is $120 by this point, and your stack stands at $40. Your opponent pushes you all in. You figure you have 12 outs - your flush draw, and figure you have an over on your opponent. That's 11:3 odds (3.66:1), and you are getting 4:1. You stand to profit by calling over the long run, and if you don't hit, you can always buy back in, it's not the end of the game. Even if you choose to quit, those chips have true value.

Now let's get a similar scenario going for a tournament. We'll put the blinds at 25/50, and you now have a stack standing at 2200. Chip leader at the table has 3000 chips, and you know for a fact by now that he will reraise all in ONLY if he has a small pp (7s or lower). You're dealt AKs UTG and put in a standard raise to 200. Everyone folds to the chip leader, who reraises all in (thus indicating he has a small pp). At this point the pot stands at 25+50+200+2000=2275, which means you are getting odds of 2275:2000, or 1.1375:1. Those odds can warrant a call, as you are in roughly a coinflip situation. However, in that position, I would fold, as I would rather trust my skills to outplay the chip leader for his chips, rather than leave it up to a coinflip. The reason is if I bust, I lost my chance to win a potentially big prize pool. Even if I call and win, I still don't have guaranteed money at my disposal, just a slightly better chance of winning that big first prize.

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Fault always lies in the same place, my fine babies: with him weak enough to lay blame.