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Old 12-15-2006, 01:03 AM
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Of course image etc...cannot be shown in HHs......but I knew I was winning....that instinct thing....all I have to do now is to start to learn to always go with my first instinct rather than second guessing myself.

PokerStars Game #7427314769: Tournament #37700501, $3.00+$0.30 Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level III (25/50) - 2006/12/13 - 15:59:52 (ET)
Table '37700501 7' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Domuch (2300 in chips)
Seat 2: skip669 (1620 in chips)
Seat 5: SonnyChiba06 (1525 in chips)
Seat 6: 1SeanMichael (3555 in chips)
SonnyChiba06: posts small blind 25
1SeanMichael: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SonnyChiba06 [7h 6s]
Domuch: folds
skip669: folds
SonnyChiba06: calls 25
1SeanMichael: raises 100 to 150
SonnyChiba06: calls 100 ~ Not a lose call, shorthanded table.

*** FLOP *** [Ac 7c 8d]
SonnyChiba06: checks
1SeanMichael: bets 250
SonnyChiba06: calls 250 ~ Okay, I know Bottom pair, but yet still it is a hand and I have small striaghtening possibiltys......but his bet.....is it telling me he has hit a hand....or that he hasn't.....???

*** TURN *** [Ac 7c 8d] [3d]
SonnyChiba06: checks
1SeanMichael: bets 400
SonnyChiba06: calls 400 ~ Now my thinking, the 3 hasn't helped him anymore than it has me.....I no longer believe he has an ace, to small a bet pre-flop (been that kind of game) and now this progresive betting murlarky....all looking a bit suss to me

*** RIVER *** [Ac 7c 8d 3d] [Qs]
SonnyChiba06: checks
1SeanMichael: bets 950
SonnyChiba06: calls 725 and is all-in ~ Now if he has an 8, Q, or ace I'm beat but I'm 99.5% sure he has none off them, so I'm not only calling as I am now more-or-less commited, I am calling because I believe I'm in front, I mean you don't call when you think ya' losing after all.
*** SHOW DOWN ***

1SeanMichael: shows [4c Kh] (high card Ace) ~ tut tut
SonnyChiba06: shows [7h 6s] (a pair of Sevens) ~ well played
SonnyChiba06 collected 3050 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3050 | Rake 0
Board [Ac 7c 8d 3d Qs]
Seat 1: Domuch folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: skip669 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: SonnyChiba06 (small blind) showed [7h 6s] and won (3050) with a pair of Sevens
Seat 6: 1SeanMichael (big blind) showed [4c Kh] and lost with high card Ace
  
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this is a little bit similar sonny to the was this too passive, was this too loose thread i posted quite recently in the HH room. Generally it is hard to comment on reads as an observer as we cannot have the information you had but it does seem that you have a sense of your opponents betting zones and have correctly sensed weakness and got well earned profits from a good read.

Some people might critisise you for risking all those chips on a poor hand on the basis of a read but you know I am read focused in my own play and if i had the read that you did i would have played it similarly.

One area that I am reconsidering with my own game is whether in the situation you describe reraising on the flop would be correct. At the moment I would generally play the hand (on the reads you give if i was confident with them) in the same way but I am considering whether raising here is better. Whilst it is putting you very vulnerable if he is stronger than you think you are possibly giving a hand like kq a free chance to overtake you and there is enough in the pot to claim it there and then. This is not something that affects the quality of your read of your opponent but it is an interesting strategy dilema that I am currently struggling to resolve for these sorts of hands.

Anyway great read (both your read on your opponent and your post) and good to see you back posting again after a short sabatical.
  
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Anyway great read (both your read on your opponent and your post) and good to see you back posting again after a short sabatical.
Thanks Ben, it's good to be back.....funny thing had a message at the top of the home page, telling me I haven't posted in several weeks, why not try and jump in to a conversation or just chat to members etc in the many different forums....heh

Me and my housemate are forever discussing, winning reads with weak hands.....his attitude is if you believe you are winning....why are you not raising?

He has watched my game come on no end over the last year or so, he now puts me at a better player than him.....I disagree, he put $28 into PS after I told him what a great site it is, he only plays the $1 45 seat SNGs and in about 4months he now has $388 all from $1 games......however he is happy just placing in the money and can see' no real reason to battle for 1st place if he is looking at least getting in the money........which has left a knock on effect that his shorthanded game lacks a bit although he remains consisted throughout the rest of a tourney.

Anyhow back to the point in hand, why not raise if ya' think your winning....as with what you said Ben, maybe a raise on the flop will take it down right there and then with ya'......it's a risky old game, but what I have sort of noticed is that players will commit there selves to the bluff from bet 1 through to bet 3, so whereas your post-flop raise/bet may get them of the pot, being the passive player in this kind of scenario pays dividend IMO......don't get me wrong it is far from an exact science and of course not all reads are correct and you can get burned.......I think (which I didn't highlight enough) that the main point of this HHs was to encourage players as well as myself to go with there 1st instinct and not to second guess yourself.

I was watching one of the pro's against Jamie Gold at this years main event FT....Gold had a lot of reads to his game.....but just had to many damn chips in the pot for his opponents to be calling him on "maybes"........can't remember the pro's name (An American, not Cunningham) he told Jamie what cards Jamie had, told him he watched him bluff a pot by betting the same amount earlier with a K9.....Jamie confirmed his opponents read (have no respect for Jamie’s poker table manners) and yet still his opponent laid down the winning hand and Jamie declared his K9 bluff again to the table. Whereas his opponent said he should of just stuck with his gut instinct as he had been playing the whole tourney so far doing so….he should of called and won himself a very nice pot.

Now yes I did get all my chips in on a very strong maybe, but I wasn't playing for 12m dollars.......So it would appear or seem from time to time that in poker the power does in fact lay with the bluffer maybe because of the aggression etc.....so to compensate for that aggression the opponent will more often than not be passive.....I suppose what it comes down to is who has the best read and the biggest pair when the final bets go in.

Me for one are far more comfortable calling a bluffer.....when I have the nuts....hehe

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I personally like your play sonny. It has always been my opinion that the best thing someone can do in poker is to go with their reads no matter of the outcome.

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