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Old 12-13-2006, 09:18 AM
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How bad of a call would this have been?


Table '37779584 357' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Sooners (1872694 in chips)
Seat 3: storballet (1493820 in chips)
Seat 5: allininuk (2879364 in chips)
Seat 6: Stevie Baker (1470056 in chips)
Seat 7: cofios (1422923 in chips)
Seat 8: xtra money2 (1132837 in chips)
Seat 9: IamSatch (2117142 in chips)
Sooners: posts the ante 4000
storballet: posts the ante 4000
allininuk: posts the ante 4000
Stevie Baker: posts the ante 4000
cofios: posts the ante 4000
xtra money2: posts the ante 4000
IamSatch: posts the ante 4000
allininuk: posts small blind 40000
Stevie Baker: posts big blind 80000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to xtra money2 [Qh Js]
cofios: folds
xtra money2: raises 80000 to 160000
Sooners said, "ty"
IamSatch: folds
Sooners: folds
storballet: folds
allininuk: folds
Stevie Baker: calls 80000
*** FLOP *** [2h Kh Ks]
Stevie Baker: checks
xtra money2: bets 240000
Stevie Baker: calls 240000
*** TURN *** [2h Kh Ks] [Jd]
Stevie Baker: checks
xtra money2: checks
*** RIVER *** [2h Kh Ks Jd] [Ad]
Stevie Baker: bets 800000
xtra money2: folds
Stevie Baker collected 868000 from pot
Stevie Baker: shows [Th 6h] (a pair of Kings)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 868000 | Rake 0
Board [2h Kh Ks Jd Ad]
Seat 1: Sooners folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: storballet (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: allininuk (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Stevie Baker (big blind) collected (868000)
Seat 7: cofios folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: xtra money2 folded on the River
Seat 9: IamSatch folded before Flop (didn't bet)


My gut said yes my brain said no grrrrrrrr

made the final table anyway 7 of 9
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8 hours later I finish 8th...........extremely tired and it showed
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dont quite understand why you didnt bet on the turnthere xtra - its setting up the bluff from your opponent true he could have kx and be slow playing it - pot oaks are very hard to read and though i dont agrree with the way you played the hand i cant blame you for the fold on the river as a slowplay of kx or having ax are probably as reasonable holdings as a post oak
  
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dont quite understand why you didnt bet on the turnthere xtra - its setting up the bluff from your opponent true he could have kx and be slow playing it - pot oaks are very hard to read and though i dont agrree with the way you played the hand i cant blame you for the fold on the river as a slowplay of kx or having ax are probably as reasonable holdings as a post oak
Ben, you taught me that a Post Oak bluff is to call a bet with nothing in order to try to steal the pot on a later betting round. Player in question missed his flush and sensed weakness in xtra's check on the turn. Stevie made a pot sized bet as a last attempt to take the pot. This move contradicts with what you know as a Post Oak bluff. But I looked up what a Post Oak really is and this is what I found:

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A post oak bluff is a bet in no-limit or pot-limit poker which is an attempt to steal the pot in a way that holds little risk for the player making the bet.

A player executing the post oak bluff bets a small amount relative to the size of the pot, in order to create the impression that he is trying to lure the other player into the pot (as if he had a winning hand--this kind of bet with a strong hand is called a "here kitty kitty" bet). When successful, the other player(s) fold rather than fall into the perceived trap.

The term itself carries derogatory connotations because the play is often seen as "gutless," to quote Doyle Brunson who popularized the term in his book Super System, and who claims that he never makes the play.

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_oak_bluff"
The description given here is something else entirely.
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Wow, those are some blinds. I would have never raised with QJo in early position. If someone reraises you have to lay them down. But you had position on him and he showed weakness twice by checking. True, he could be slowplaying his Kx but in this situation I would have put him on A2 or a low pocket pair. That's why you should have bet the turn when you hit one of your cards. If you would have called a 240k bet from Stevie if he had bet on the turn then you should have made that same bet on the turn.

If I had played the same way you did then I would have folded on the river also. No way anyone can call his bet on the river or put him on a missed flush draw. I think the reads you have on someone are a very important factor in these kind of situations.
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Bad play,I made a few late,came back and deleted them after I rested(posts above),was that bad!!!First time Ive ever been exhausted after playing.Was mentally fried.Not sure why,but believe me I was looking for help to keep my thoughts straight,but I guess thats part of the game
The way the table was flowing the raise didnt bother me and would do it again.
The turn I basically said take it.Wasnt too worried about losing the chips,but his bet on the river just gave me the feel he didnt have it.Looking back it was a smart fold by the book,and calling wouldve been a stupid risk.
Hit a hand after that and got it back to get me to the final table,but I made 2 or 3 bad plays on the final table I can remember that cost me alot,and 1 would make this seem like a brilliant move.
No wonder Kaart keeps beaing me!!!
Youre both right,but dont tell anyone I said that!!!
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