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Old 11-15-2006, 08:02 PM
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.....Did I play this......It was late and I was tired......but after his stand pat surely I have to put him on a made hand, more likely a full or flush and maybe just maybe I could have been lucky enough for him to have a straight.......

Complete bad play by me, or just unlucky.....???


PokerStars Game #7018060350: 5 Card Draw Pot Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2006/11/14 -
00:41:22 (ET)
Table 'Gemma V' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: SonnyChiba06 ($64.75 in chips)
Seat 3: azlowhand ($25.20 in chips)
Seat 4: dking444 ($18.70 in chips)
Seat 5: DealPete ($28.50 in chips)
dking444: posts small blind $0.25
DealPete: posts big blind $0.50
*** DEALING HANDS ***
Dealt to SonnyChiba06 [Th Kd Ad Qs 6h]
SonnyChiba06: calls $0.50
azlowhand: raises $1 to $1.50
dking444: folds
DealPete: folds
SonnyChiba06: calls $1
SonnyChiba06: discards 1 card [6h]
Dealt to SonnyChiba06 [Jh]
azlowhand: stands pat
SonnyChiba06: bets $3.75
azlowhand: raises $11.25 to $15
SonnyChiba06: raises $33.75 to $48.75
azlowhand: calls $8.70 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
SonnyChiba06: shows [Th Kd Ad Qs Jh] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
azlowhand: shows [2s 6s As 4s Js] (a flush, Ace high)
azlowhand collected $51.15 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $51.15 | Rake $0
Seat 1: SonnyChiba06 showed [Th Kd Ad Qs Jh] and lost with a straight, Ten to
Ace
Seat 3: azlowhand (button) showed [2s 6s As 4s Js] and won ($51.15) with a
flush, Ace high
Seat 4: dking444 (small blind) folded before the Draw
Seat 5: DealPete (big blind) folded before the Draw
  
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Jeez, Sonny, it's a very pretty hand, but it's still an inside straight you're chasing. As Maverick used to say, my old grand pappy used to say to me never chase an inside straight. So in my mind you created your own problem by being in the hand at all, or if you really wanted to play it, draw for something else, if you hit say AA the laydown is easy.

The reason draw became less popular is that played properly there is hardly any action. Maxims such as never change more than 3 regardless of house rules and then only on a pair, were widely held as correct play so there was too much folding. That is why stripped deck variants became more popular. Its why people invented odd ball things like 4 card straights and flushes and skip straights.

So, just to make matters worse, in some stripped deck variants the odds change and a straight beats a flush, so you would have won! You're not comforted by that are you

Just a matter of interest, I don't play there any more, neither do our US colleagues, but the B2B network has some fun stripped deck games and games with the 4 card hands.
  
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Sonny, let's look at it this way. If he'll stand pat on either a natural straight, flush, or full house, let's put the odds at 33% for each hand (since you don't have a real line on him). I'm fine with the bet you made leading in for the pot, but the reraise you made is suspect in my opinion. At that point, I'm looking at it that you are only ahead maybe 33% of the time (if he has the lower straight). As well, take into consideration that he re-pots and commits half of his stack. I totally realize that you want to play it very aggressively, but after the re-pot I'd just call and hope he doesn't have the flush or better.
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Sonny, let's look at it this way. If he'll stand pat on either a natural straight, flush, or full house, let's put the odds at 33% for each hand (since you don't have a real line on him). I'm fine with the bet you made leading in for the pot, but the reraise you made is suspect in my opinion. At that point, I'm looking at it that you are only ahead maybe 33% of the time (if he has the lower straight). As well, take into consideration that he re-pots and commits half of his stack. I totally realize that you want to play it very aggressively, but after the re-pot I'd just call and hope he doesn't have the flush or better.
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thats my problem right there...i hope too much too.
  
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