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Old 11-10-2006, 05:40 PM
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PokerStars Game #6966749316: Tournament #35563295, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2006/11/10 - 11:37:39 (ET)
Table '35563295 4' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: mazziotta (2040 in chips)
Seat 2: nairobi (590 in chips)
Seat 3: O_Shawn (1310 in chips)
Seat 4: rw11687 (1310 in chips)
Seat 5: wptex (1990 in chips)
Seat 6: 12beastar (2030 in chips)
Seat 7: neil456 (3510 in chips)
Seat 8: Canippa (990 in chips)
Seat 9: Fascious (1230 in chips) is sitting out
Canippa: posts small blind 15
Fascious: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to rw11687 [Ac As]
mazziotta: calls 30
nairobi: raises 90 to 120
O_Shawn: folds
rw11687: raises 1190 to 1310 and is all-in
wptex: folds
12beastar: folds
neil456: folds
Canippa: folds
Fascious: folds
mazziotta: folds
nairobi: calls 470 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [Th 7h Tc]
*** TURN *** [Th 7h Tc] [4d]
*** RIVER *** [Th 7h Tc 4d] [3d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
nairobi: shows [5c 5s] (two pair, Tens and Fives)
rw11687: shows [Ac As] (two pair, Aces and Tens)
rw11687 collected 1255 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1255 | Rake 0
Board [Th 7h Tc 4d 3d]
Seat 1: mazziotta folded before Flop
Seat 2: nairobi showed [5c 5s] and lost with two pair, Tens and Fives
Seat 3: O_Shawn folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: rw11687 showed [Ac As] and won (1255) with two pair, Aces and Tens
Seat 5: wptex folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: 12beastar folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: neil456 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Canippa (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: Fascious (big blind) folded before Flop


i wanted to isolate the initial raiser, seeing as eary in these 4+.40 sngs, people will play anything, so i wanted to get HU and take him out
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I might have smooth called that and hoped the guy in first position would call also, but with two tens on the flop you probably made the right choice to isolate.
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As your cause was to get him out and not trying to get anyone else into the hand it was good, you won the pot, you knocked him out. Very well done. But i would probably min. raised him there and gamble a bit, trying to get maybe one more into the pot.


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ya, these were my other thoughts. but early in those sngs, people will call any raise with anything, so i just wanted to win a decent pot, cause i kew he was caling, and move on and wait for the tourney to get rid of the donks
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you only made one move and that was reraise all in. To me its a silly play. You should have reraised a few more hundred as
* you might have got the other player in the pot
* as a lot of the time the other player will fold and youll just win the pot there and then....which is scared play in my opinion
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ya, these were my other thoughts. but early in those sngs, people will call any raise with anything, so i just wanted to win a decent pot, cause i kew he was caling, and move on and wait for the tourney to get rid of the donks
i think this is a dangerous view to have. its the first stage of a sng. i agree there are always 1 or 2 donks that will call with anything etc however you cant just assume that the other players in the pot are idiots and not decent players. You have no information on them. Putting players into categories and assuming they will call your all in raise will lost you a lot of cash.

One of the best things ive read is that until you know how good a player is you treat him as if hes a good player....because you lost a lot less cash being cautious and assuming theyre good than assuming theyre bad players and that they will call every raise you make.

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that is good advise fonz you should never asume anything on a poker table before you have the evidence it will lead you to the poor house
in these 4 40s i will play a lag style early to pick up a few cheep pots people asume i am a donk then bet into me when i have a good hand that hand could have gone wrong easily with the all in push
  
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actually i had a similiar situation...it was like the 5th hand of the sng i was dealt AAs on the button one raiser came than a rereaise so i reraised again...the initial raiser thought about it and called along with the initial reraiser...flop was rags like 8 3 4...everyone checks i guess they were slow playing(lol)..pot is now like 2700...its early so i pretty sure one of these guys have like qq or kk..im not against doyle hea so they wont fold...i put the rest of my chips just hoping to get one caller at best they both call...i end up with 4800 more or less... needless to say...so POCKET ROCKETS are the ish...your play was great rw thumbs up..there is no other way to play them but aggressive preflop...so that you dont get them low pairs to call hoping to hit that set....poker is all about taking chanes...i like mine with AA..one
  
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the problem is going all in preflop early in a sit or mtt you have no exit route the next problem is all 5 cards fall giving your opponent more chances to suck out i rarely push all in preflop with AA i will raise if i get reraised ok then i press the all in button to try and take the pot down there and then
later on in torny when the blinds are bigger and the stacks are i never slow play AA its all in everytime i would rather pick up the blinds and anties than lose a big pot after i slow played
  
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I do personally feel that people worry too much about how they play AA. Firstly it is not the sort of hand that you get very often (and if you fast play it action on it is even less.

I think there is a bit of misrepresentation in terms of what rw is saying. If I understand him right he is saying that people will call with anything early in sngs.

This to me is not saying players are good or bad. When the BB's are low calling for 10th of your stack with trash doesnt neccisarily make you a bad player. Without reads slowplaying hands is harder. AA is a hard hand to improve and it is rare to both a) improve and b) do so in a way that gives someone else the hand to get you paid. Often your big payouts from aa will come on kxx with kq or something being the opponents hole cards.

If you do slow play the hand then you have to sense when you are ahead and when you are not and this is much easier to do ones you have developed reads of your opponents. do they have kj or kq on kjx - there is a huge difference in whether or not you want to call bets from them.

If everyone folds your all in then you get 200 or so risk free. If someone calls then you are big favorite and whilst i like putting my money in when i cannot be outdrawn (river etc) I am happy to take the odds that AA gives me against any hand in most situations.

To me you had a few options
a) flat call - slow play
b) do a small raise
c) put the shortstack all in
d) go all in.

a) is risky and unless you sense looseness the risks involved may or may not justify the free chips if your all in is folded.

I wouldnt have played the hand the same way you did but I have no problem with the way you played it I think its fine.
  
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