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11-08-2006, 02:04 PM
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 I bet he hated me for this. He didnt return to play another hand.
I've just written an explanation of my thinking here and why I played it this way but decided to cut it from the post. I saved it and will post that bit later. I did feel there were possibilties to take this hand even if I didnt hit on the turn. As usual any feedback is appreciated.
PokerStars Game #6939970589: Hold'em No Limit ($0.02/$0.05) - 2006/11/08 - 06:27:26 (ET)
Table 'Alkimos' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: 7letters ($10.60 in chips)
Seat 2: press61 ($7.40 in chips)
Seat 3: BART.CORDELL ($5.20 in chips)
Seat 5: Dubbeltweer ($4.76 in chips)
7letters: posts small blind $0.02
press61: posts big blind $0.05
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 7letters [5d 6d]
BART.CORDELL: calls $0.05
Dubbeltweer: calls $0.05
7letters: raises $0.10 to $0.15
press61: calls $0.10
BART.CORDELL: raises $0.10 to $0.25
Dubbeltweer: calls $0.20
7letters: calls $0.10
press61: calls $0.10
*** FLOP *** [Qc 2d 3h]
7letters: bets $0.15
press61: folds
BART.CORDELL: raises $0.90 to $1.05
Dubbeltweer: folds
7letters: calls $0.90
*** TURN *** [Qc 2d 3h] [4d]
7letters: bets $1.95
BART.CORDELL: raises $1.95 to $3.90 and is all-in
7letters: calls $1.95
*** RIVER *** [Qc 2d 3h 4d] [Td]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
7letters: shows [5d 6d] (a flush, Ten high)
BART.CORDELL: mucks hand
7letters collected $10.40 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $10.90 | Rake $0.50
Board [Qc 2d 3h 4d Td]
Seat 1: 7letters (small blind) showed [5d 6d] and won ($10.40) with a flush, Ten high
Seat 2: press61 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: BART.CORDELL mucked [As Ad]
Seat 5: Dubbeltweer (button) folded on the Flop
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11-08-2006, 02:56 PM
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You can understand why he was a bit pissed.....okay I'm going to put a large fact of this play down to the fact your chip leader and it's low limits......56s not a great hand by any stretch of the imagination, would I be raising with it pre-flop......NO....would I answer a raise with them pre-flop probably not.....however you did....
He's first mistake IMO was limping with them in the first place and then just putting in a small re-raise to your raise......without coming back over the top aggressively any further questions on how good the hands are out there just hasn’t been answered....."BIG MISTAKE" IMHO.....as my sig says....slow play your aces and you will get burned....more-often-than-not by rags......
Your call on the flop, yet again must have been because of your chip position.....the flush draw isn't even there yet (backdoor, slim to no chance) so now your calling a huge raise (what he should have done in the first place IMO) for an inside straight draw, not the greatest of plays in the world to be going for inside draws, as we all know......as it turns out you hit on the turn and then further improve on the river managing to hit nearly every out possible required for your hand....Nice hand.
But I don't think you won this hand by getting lucky etc.....I would put it down to the bad way he played the aces opening up......I don't get why you would be passive with them pre-flop then super aggressive post flop/turn, you have already made a mistake with them on this hand......why throw your chips away at a lost cause.....he gave the chance for anyone to improve without it costing them much $$$$ and when you do that, you have to learn to get yourselves off pots when there are other possible hands out there and you haven't improved, hard to do....agreed, but sometimes it needs to be done...
I from time 2 time will make the wrong opening move, (multi tabling, tired, distracted) and I will more-or-less write the hand off there and then.....Lets say I just flat call with AKs as I'm not paying attention, everyone limps in and we have a family pot.....flop comes 469 rainbow, and there is nothing I can do, I never asked questions pre-flop I haven't a clue what's out there so therefore I have no idea what I'm up against.....so I'll probably pass to any bet....I played it wrong from the off IMO so I have to get of the pot before I get involved, after all, all I'm in for at this stage is the BB and I can't wait to hit an ace to only then get sucked out on with the chap who limped in with 69 off.
So lucky hand for you there letters IMO bud, but very bad play by him that allowed you to get that hand in the first place.......
If he had come back over the top a lot more ($1 say) pre-flop and you just flat called, then the flop comes and he goes all-in, I don't think you can call him.....and if you were to it would be purely for the gamble IMO.
Yet that's poker for ya', still nice hand bud..... 
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Last edited by SonnyChiba; 11-08-2006 at 04:28 PM.
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11-10-2006, 12:59 PM
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Sorry for the late response- been a bit busy and not much forum time in the last couple of days...
I was happy enough with my play here but hoped to get some feedback. Sonny, I can understand your points and I agree with much that you have said. I really posted this one because I felt it was a fairly interesting hand - but maybe I'm wrong lol
Anyeway, this is my thinking here:
Tourneys were on a server reset and unavailable so I entered this micro
cash game to pass some time. I don't play ring games that often but at
Pokerstars I'm occasionally playing 5NL and 10NL with good success at the moment. I'm playing tight-aggressive on the whole but will get fairly loose-aggressive if I think I'm at the right table.
I'm finding on the whole at these games there are a lot of fairly decent players but predictable. Very much of the tight-passive type of player. It seems you can get on a bit of a rush and can also allow a fair decent amount of loose preflop play into your game if your prepared to raise/check-raise/call-raise as the hand progresses.
Of course they are small profits at these levels but I find I'm leaving with a profit most of the sessions I've played.
I started with the maximum buyin and purposely played a
few loose-aggressive hands ( I think I showed one or possibly two) and won 4 little pots.
On a fairly small amount of evidence, I'd put my opponent down as
tight-passive. He'd certainly put down hands regularly when I felt any sort of bet would of taken him the pot.
I'd seen him win 3 pots.
One wasnt shown, the other was an A4( paired board and split pot with very little action) and an AK -he did cling onto that and won
with a pair of K's with straight and flush draws on the board.
Here, I don't feel I'm playing 5-6. I'm playing the opponent and whatever he might think I have.
I think I could fairly-safely put him on high cards and I think my bets preflop and flop, more or less , gave me that information. I thought hard about the call on the flop and called for 3 reasons:
I can be lucky and hit something which I can bet strongly on ( and my implied odds look good)
I like the deception of the hand - I'd raised 3xBB preflop( I wished I'd raised a little more- since it was my intention to represent a play like an A-with a high kicker or pockets)
Whether I hit something or not, I think, as he has been doing, that he will lay down his cards if I show strength (I was wrong in this case)
I'm not getting good pot odds with my call on the flop of course but I think my implied odds look good ( feeback aprreciated)
I think he's going to struggle to put me on a hand here.
card. On the turn I got lucky, hit a straight and surely he can't put me on it.
I've a small flush as back up. I look at his stack and I think he might play it all if he's hit a set. If he's on high diamonds I'm in trouble. When he goes allin I think I have to call and I think there's are a variety of hands I can put him on that I've got the beating of. His AA was a complete suprise to me.
Any further comments much appreciated.
PokerStars Game #6939970589: Hold'em No Limit ($0.02/$0.05) - 2006/11/08 - 06:27:26 (ET)
Table 'Alkimos' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: 7letters ($10.60 in chips)
Seat 2: press61 ($7.40 in chips)
Seat 3: BART.CORDELL ($5.20 in chips)
Seat 5: Dubbeltweer ($4.76 in chips)
7letters: posts small blind $0.02
press61: posts big blind $0.05
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 7letters [5d 6d]
BART.CORDELL: calls $0.05
Dubbeltweer: calls $0.05
7letters: raises $0.10 to $0.15
press61: calls $0.10
BART.CORDELL: raises $0.10 to $0.25
Dubbeltweer: calls $0.20
7letters: calls $0.10
press61: calls $0.10
*** FLOP *** [Qc 2d 3h]
7letters: bets $0.15
press61: folds
BART.CORDELL: raises $0.90 to $1.05
Dubbeltweer: folds
7letters: calls $0.90
*** TURN *** [Qc 2d 3h] [4d]
7letters: bets $1.95
BART.CORDELL: raises $1.95 to $3.90 and is all-in
7letters: calls $1.95
*** RIVER *** [Qc 2d 3h 4d] [Td]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
7letters: shows [5d 6d] (a flush, Ten high)
BART.CORDELL: mucks hand
7letters collected $10.40 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $10.90 | Rake $0.50
Board [Qc 2d 3h 4d Td]
Seat 1: 7letters (small blind) showed [5d 6d] and won ($10.40) with a flush, Ten high
Seat 2: press61 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: BART.CORDELL mucked [As Ad]
Seat 5: Dubbeltweer (button) folded on the Flop
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Last edited by 7letters; 11-10-2006 at 01:11 PM.
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11-11-2006, 04:46 PM
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Im not going to talk about you opening the pot..i think aggressiveness is welcomed if you're seen as tight and if you showdown a hand like that you would get more callers later on with you're strong hands..anyways...on the flop he bet about 40% of the pot you have about 2.4:1 odds but you have 4 outs and you have yet to see 47 cards....thats 11:1 odds and no way should you be in the pot at this point....anyways implied odds are just a guestimate...if your opponent is holding a high pair or just shown aggression at this point you can be sure he would bet out another maybe 40%-50% of the pot on the turn..if thats the case you have to put up 25-33% of the pot...not so good either for pot odds..anyways...preflop i have no problem with but after that flop this is play is no way profitable unless you hit ur card on the turn or river which implied odds are no good either...but the results were good never the less......i truly understand the whole diguise thing and its great when it happens but hard to keep going without the proper odds....im surprised you kept going after the flop..but it paid off... one | | |
11-12-2006, 02:20 PM
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Thanks Canete. I think you've made good and correct points. It wasnt a usual hand for me and that's why I posted it. I think your ideas are correct and I'm not getting pot odds with my call on the flop. If it happens to be a hand where I think I can apply implied odds then it's really just a very vague guess on my part.
I did feel I knew where I was going with this hand though and this player. It was a cheeky play and maybe I was prepared to risk a few cents or bluff him off the pot. I'm not excusing the incorrectness of my play here but it felt right at the time.
Cheers for the reply, much appreciated 
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Last edited by 7letters; 11-12-2006 at 02:24 PM.
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