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Hey everyone maybe someone else can give me a little insight as to whether I was right or wrong with my play on a certain hand. Keep in mind I believe if my memory serves me right there were only 4 players left. Sorry this is quite lengthy but I figured showing the previous hands prior to the main one will give some insight as to how I try to play. Thanks for any info that you may be able to contribute. The hand in question is the first one you see the rest go back in time in order for the same game.

PokerStars Game #6882284601: Tournament #35089125, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em
No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2006/11/03 - 19:58:44 (ET)
Table '35089125 1' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 2: Pulitzer1 (3805 in chips)
Seat 5: che294 (3265 in chips)
Seat 6: chrisdaman77 (3207 in chips)
Seat 7: clemsonfan76 (3223 in chips)
chrisdaman77: posts small blind 75
clemsonfan76: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to chrisdaman77 [Qc Qh]
Pulitzer1: calls 150
che294: folds
chrisdaman77: raises 150 to 300
clemsonfan76: folds
Pulitzer1: raises 150 to 450
chrisdaman77: raises 2757 to 3207 and is all-in
Pulitzer1: calls 2757
*** FLOP *** [4s 7h 9h]
*** TURN *** [4s 7h 9h] [Jd]
*** RIVER *** [4s 7h 9h Jd] [7s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
chrisdaman77: shows [Qc Qh] (two pair, Queens and Sevens)
Pulitzer1: shows [Kh Kc] (two pair, Kings and Sevens)
Pulitzer1 collected 6564 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 6564 | Rake 0
Board [4s 7h 9h Jd 7s]
Seat 2: Pulitzer1 showed [Kh Kc] and won (6564) with two pair, Kings
and Sevens
Seat 5: che294 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: chrisdaman77 (small blind) showed [Qc Qh] and lost with two
pair, Queens and Sevens
Seat 7: clemsonfan76 (big blind) folded before Flop

*********** # 2 **************
PokerStars Game #6882282145: Tournament #35089125, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em
No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2006/11/03 - 19:58:32 (ET)
Table '35089125 1' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 2: Pulitzer1 (3805 in chips)
Seat 5: che294 (3340 in chips)
Seat 6: chrisdaman77 (3132 in chips)
Seat 7: clemsonfan76 (3223 in chips)
che294: posts small blind 75
chrisdaman77: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to chrisdaman77 [2s 9s]
clemsonfan76: folds
Pulitzer1: folds
che294: folds
chrisdaman77 collected 150 from pot
chrisdaman77: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 150 | Rake 0
Seat 2: Pulitzer1 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: che294 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: chrisdaman77 (big blind) collected (150)
Seat 7: clemsonfan76 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

*********** # 3 **************
PokerStars Game #6882277929: Tournament #35089125, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em
No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2006/11/03 - 19:58:12 (ET)
Table '35089125 1' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 2: Pulitzer1 (3655 in chips)
Seat 5: che294 (3490 in chips)
Seat 6: chrisdaman77 (3132 in chips)
Seat 7: clemsonfan76 (3223 in chips)
Pulitzer1: posts small blind 75
che294: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to chrisdaman77 [4d 5c]
chrisdaman77: folds
clemsonfan76: folds
Pulitzer1: raises 300 to 450
che294: folds
Pulitzer1 collected 300 from pot
Pulitzer1: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 300 | Rake 0
Seat 2: Pulitzer1 (small blind) collected (300)
Seat 5: che294 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: chrisdaman77 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: clemsonfan76 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

*********** # 4 **************
This one was all luck IMO
PokerStars Game #6882270120: Tournament #35089125, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em
No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2006/11/03 - 19:57:35 (ET)
Table '35089125 1' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 2: Pulitzer1 (3655 in chips)
Seat 5: che294 (3490 in chips)
Seat 6: chrisdaman77 (1885 in chips)
Seat 7: clemsonfan76 (3298 in chips)
Seat 9: foggdog (1172 in chips)
clemsonfan76: posts small blind 75
foggdog: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to chrisdaman77 [Jc Th]
Pulitzer1: folds
che294: folds
chrisdaman77: raises 150 to 300
clemsonfan76: folds
foggdog: raises 872 to 1172 and is all-in
chrisdaman77: calls 872
*** FLOP *** [2c Js 9c]
*** TURN *** [2c Js 9c] [7c]
*** RIVER *** [2c Js 9c 7c] [Kc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
foggdog: shows [7h 7s] (three of a kind, Sevens)
chrisdaman77: shows [Jc Th] (a flush, King high)
chrisdaman77 collected 2419 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2419 | Rake 0
Board [2c Js 9c 7c Kc]
Seat 2: Pulitzer1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: che294 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: chrisdaman77 (button) showed [Jc Th] and won (2419) with a
flush, King high
Seat 7: clemsonfan76 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: foggdog (big blind) showed [7h 7s] and lost with three of a
kind, Sevens

*********** # 5 **************
PokerStars Game #6882266433: Tournament #35089125, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em
No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2006/11/03 - 19:57:18 (ET)
Table '35089125 1' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 2: Pulitzer1 (3655 in chips)
Seat 5: che294 (3265 in chips)
Seat 6: chrisdaman77 (1960 in chips)
Seat 7: clemsonfan76 (3448 in chips)
Seat 9: foggdog (1172 in chips)
chrisdaman77: posts small blind 75
clemsonfan76: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to chrisdaman77 [3s Ks]
foggdog: folds
Pulitzer1: folds
che294: raises 300 to 450
chrisdaman77: folds
clemsonfan76: folds
che294 collected 375 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 375 | Rake 0
Seat 2: Pulitzer1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: che294 (button) collected (375)
Seat 6: chrisdaman77 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: clemsonfan76 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: foggdog folded before Flop (didn't bet)

*********** # 6 **************
PokerStars Game #6882263064: Tournament #35089125, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em
No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2006/11/03 - 19:57:01 (ET)
Table '35089125 1' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 2: Pulitzer1 (3430 in chips)
Seat 5: che294 (3340 in chips)
Seat 6: chrisdaman77 (2110 in chips)
Seat 7: clemsonfan76 (3448 in chips)
Seat 9: foggdog (1172 in chips)
che294: posts small blind 75
chrisdaman77: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to chrisdaman77 [7s Qh]
clemsonfan76: folds
foggdog: folds
Pulitzer1: raises 150 to 300
che294: folds
chrisdaman77: folds
Pulitzer1 collected 375 from pot
Pulitzer1: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 375 | Rake 0
Seat 2: Pulitzer1 (button) collected (375)
Seat 5: che294 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: chrisdaman77 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: clemsonfan76 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: foggdog folded before Flop (didn't bet)

*********** # 7 **************
PokerStars Game #6882259768: Tournament #35089125, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em
No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2006/11/03 - 19:56:46 (ET)
Table '35089125 1' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 2: Pulitzer1 (3505 in chips)
Seat 5: che294 (3265 in chips)
Seat 6: chrisdaman77 (2110 in chips)
Seat 7: clemsonfan76 (3448 in chips)
Seat 9: foggdog (1172 in chips)
Pulitzer1: posts small blind 75
che294: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to chrisdaman77 [4h 5d]
chrisdaman77: folds
clemsonfan76: folds
foggdog: folds
Pulitzer1: folds
che294 collected 150 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 150 | Rake 0
Seat 2: Pulitzer1 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: che294 (big blind) collected (150)
Seat 6: chrisdaman77 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: clemsonfan76 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: foggdog (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

*********** # 8 **************
PokerStars Game #6882256476: Tournament #35089125, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em
No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2006/11/03 - 19:56:30 (ET)
Table '35089125 1' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 2: Pulitzer1 (3655 in chips)
Seat 5: che294 (3040 in chips)
Seat 6: chrisdaman77 (2110 in chips)
Seat 7: clemsonfan76 (3448 in chips)
Seat 9: foggdog (1247 in chips)
foggdog: posts small blind 75
Pulitzer1: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to chrisdaman77 [8h 5s]
che294: raises 300 to 450
chrisdaman77: folds
clemsonfan76: folds
foggdog: folds
Pulitzer1: folds
che294 collected 375 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 375 | Rake 0
Seat 2: Pulitzer1 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: che294 collected (375)
Seat 6: chrisdaman77 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: clemsonfan76 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: foggdog (small blind) folded before Flop

*********** # 9 **************
PokerStars Game #6882248910: Tournament #35089125, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em
No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2006/11/03 - 19:55:54 (ET)
Table '35089125 1' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 2: Pulitzer1 (3130 in chips)
Seat 5: che294 (3040 in chips)
Seat 6: chrisdaman77 (2110 in chips)
Seat 7: clemsonfan76 (3523 in chips)
Seat 9: foggdog (1697 in chips)
clemsonfan76: posts small blind 75
foggdog: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to chrisdaman77 [9h 2h]
Pulitzer1: calls 150
che294: folds
chrisdaman77: folds
clemsonfan76: folds
foggdog: checks
*** FLOP *** [4h 9c 2s]
foggdog: checks
Pulitzer1: bets 300
foggdog: calls 300
*** TURN *** [4h 9c 2s] [Ts]
foggdog: checks
Pulitzer1: bets 450
foggdog: folds
Pulitzer1 collected 975 from pot
Pulitzer1: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 975 | Rake 0
Board [4h 9c 2s Ts]
Seat 2: Pulitzer1 collected (975)
Seat 5: che294 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: chrisdaman77 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: clemsonfan76 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: foggdog (big blind) folded on the Turn

*********** # 10 **************
PokerStars Game #6882245751: Tournament #35089125, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em
No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2006/11/03 - 19:55:39 (ET)
Table '35089125 1' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 2: Pulitzer1 (3130 in chips)
Seat 5: che294 (3040 in chips)
Seat 6: chrisdaman77 (2185 in chips)
Seat 7: clemsonfan76 (3448 in chips)
Seat 9: foggdog (1697 in chips)
chrisdaman77: posts small blind 75
clemsonfan76: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to chrisdaman77 [6s 8s]
foggdog: folds
Pulitzer1: folds
che294: folds
chrisdaman77: folds
clemsonfan76 collected 150 from pot
clemsonfan76: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 150 | Rake 0
Seat 2: Pulitzer1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: che294 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: chrisdaman77 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: clemsonfan76 (big blind) collected (150)
Seat 9: foggdog folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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I'm not sure about pushing all-in on the first hand with the stacks as they were, min raises are so gay it is unreal. Raise here at least 3xBB, 1xBB is far too weak. His min raise is bad too but did what it set out, for you to bet big.

Hand number 4 is lucky. I don't mind raising herebut more than 1xBB!

Hand 10 I'm raising here 4-5xBB and taking the blinds

Rest seems pretty standard. On the bubble you have to go very aggressive as 4th is the worst place to finish, I'd rather finish 9th!
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thanks for the insight will keep that in mind I have only been playing money games for a few weeks so I still got a little freeroll hands in me.
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qq v kk is hard to escape from. What I would say is how strong do you think he is and what do you think he has?

The other hands here do not give enough info to say further. I would like to call his reraise here generally where you went all in

If he has ak then you will win 2/3 if you get him to fold the flops he misses AND you will lose little when an ace flops (you will fold) and so this is a more optimal play. This is as opposed to only 1/2 if you are all in. All in and calling all in is a little different in real $$ games because you will not get the calls from the same range of hands that you do in freerolls. Your reraise is looking really clever if he is bluffing you with some sort of drawing hand. Then he will fold and you have avoided a risky flop. Otherwise it is vulerable to strong hands AK, AA, KK. It is true that you are giving him better chances of both catching and escaping a punishment if he holds aj. He might call your reraise (as a big dog) or he might fold (saving you risking him hitting an ace. But on the whole i like to flat call here and outplay my opponent on the flop. Outplay can mean losing the hand cheaply. It doesnt mean neccisarily aggressive play though.

If you had flat called here it would still be really hard to escape on that flop though. The reraise would be good if you feel there is a good chance he could have aj, a10, 77 etc but otherwise not probably the optimal play.

The other hands do not shed much insight in respect of the hand you ask about.

In one hand you do a single raise with j10 then call the shortstacks all in. Personally I reckon that fractionally more than a single raise is often a good idea but if you are doing a single raise one of the advantages is that you can fold his reraise. Against low pp you are even but you will often not have odds for this call. If you had bet a little more it is true you would have pr been pot commited but the call is a little risky in my view.
  
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