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Let me start off by saying AK is a trouble hand for me, my pokertracker is showing I make profit on it but its most likley my most missplayed hand. Here is a hand history for today, I won but not sure if I played it right, I will bold what I was thinking during each street.


POKERSTARS GAME #6537698603: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2006/10/06 - 08:23:28 (ET)
Table 'Nasl IV' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Athoms ($17.45 in chips) shortstacked
Seat 2: paultjuh ($55.15 in chips)
Seat 3: knud1 ($14.95 in chips)
Seat 4: stormswa ($25.15 in chips) plenty of chips
Seat 5: jean$lopez$ ($23.90 in chips)
Seat 6: goyan ($9.80 in chips) very shortstacked
jean$lopez$: posts small blind $0.10
goyan: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to stormswa [Ks As]
Athoms: raises $1 to $1.25standard raise and his range of hands is very wide.
goyan said, "i guess that why the clown check raised b4 turn"
paultjuh: folds
knud1: folds
stormswa: calls $1.25Im not a preflop all in kinda guy so yea I want to see a flop with AK
goyan said, "knows king will be up on turn"
jean$lopez$: folds
goyan: calls $1
*** FLOP *** [5s 7s 9d]
knud1 said, "i guess so"
goyan: checks
Athoms: bets $1.25$3.50 in pot this is very weak bet its like 1/4 the pot.
stormswa: raises $1.50 to $2.75I actully dont think I raised enough here should of made it about $4 so I could commit myself if he pushed.
goyan: folds
Athoms: raises $1.50 to $4.25another real weak bet but he could have something like TT or JJ here.
stormswa: raises $19.65 to $23.90 and is all-insemi bluff here, figure i have 15 outs and I hate just calling here.
Athoms: calls $11.95 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [5s 7s 9d] [6h]
*** RIVER *** [5s 7s 9d 6h] [2c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Athoms: shows [Ts Qs] (high card Queen)
stormswa: shows [Ks As] (high card Ace)
stormswa collected $34.45 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $36.25 | Rake $1.80
Board [5s 7s 9d 6h 2c]
Seat 1: Athoms showed [Ts Qs] and lost with high card Queennice play buddie.
Seat 2: paultjuh folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: knud1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: stormswa (button) showed [Ks As] and won ($34.45) with high card Ace
Seat 5: jean$lopez$ (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: goyan (big blind) folded on the Flop



Ok now my general stuff, the stuff in bold is very vauge so I will explain here. with his small bet on the flop I have to put him on a very weak hand because betting 1/4 of the pot pretty much to me looks like a scared bet, no way are you going to get any draw out. Ok after my re-raise, he re-raised me so at this point think there is pretty good chance im behind here but im getting some good odds but I dont like just calling here because then if I miss on turn and he pushes I will have to call and I hate calling.

so I elected to semi-bluff him and give myself 2 ways to win, either him folding or him calling and me catching one of my 15 outs, I did not put him on AA or KK because of his flop play and not to mention I held one King and one ace but I thought TT or JJ were very possible. Turns out he was also semi bluffing with a weaker flush draw. If he would of pushed all in on the flop I would of folded this but seeing as he was short stack at beggining of hand and only had to bet like $9 or so to get him all in I thought it was good play, comments?

On a different day some of your thoughts could be positively suicidal!

I mentioned on another thread the other day the way onliners make the mistake of judging a raise just by its size instead of in relation to the size of the pot. You avoided that and more or less analysed the situation wrt to the pot correctly. You're doing better than many by doing that. But there is a big gaping hole in what you thought!

There are several ways to play when you flop the nuts. You can bet it out to try to kill the hand before the chasers get into it, you can slow play it or you can put out a milk bet. Your comments say you hadn't considered the latter possibility. A quarter of the pot is good size bet for milking people of their chips when you have the nuts, simply because most people think what you thought and then stop thinking any further, they go all macho and stick in all their chips and lose.

A weak bet you say? So now I've said the above, how would you play the hand against me?

the only flaw in that comment racing dog is that most people only put out a milk bet if the board is favorable to them. There str8 draws, and flush draw, and the nuts at the time is 68, not a hand most people raise preflop wth. But if he did, he would want to bet out more than 1/4 the pot becasue of how many draws there were against his hand. Unless he was a very weak player, i dont thinkhe would milk bet that flop just my thoughts, but i understand your thinking very much too.

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Sorry, I was using the nuts as a more general example. In the particular hand above, AA and KK were dismissed as possibilities. That was wrong. They were still possibilities, some people just love messin around to try to increase the pot. Most of the time he is right, it won't be AA or KK, but ruling it out for sure? Dangerous that.

very true, thats a good point racingdog

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I dont know you but im assuming you are a decent player so against you I would play it preflop the same way and just call your raise. On the flop I would re-raise you the same way to try to get the free card on the turn, BUT when you re-raised my re-raise I would just call. Now is where it differs, if you would lead out the turn I would most likley fold because I would know you figured out my hand and you were ahead and I would lay it down.