Never Seem to Catch

It seems whenever I have AK suited aor basically A? suited, I can never catch the flush. I wish I had this guys luck. JEPOKERCLO had been aggressive all game along with WhoUThotWas with crap. Third hand in a row that WhoUThotWas caught a flush...

Full Tilt Poker Game #758968820: Table Ellsworth (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 13:22:54 ET - 2006/07/01
Seat 1: WhoUThotWas ($29.35)
Seat 2: Cussewagian ($19.25)
Seat 3: BioX ($47.50)
Seat 4: APA928 ($10.20)
Seat 5: JEPOKERCLO ($34.70)
Seat 6: c_hassin ($21.40)
WhoUThotWas posts the small blind of $0.25
Cussewagian posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to APA928 [Ad Kd]
BioX calls $0.50
APA928 raises to $1.75
JEPOKERCLO raises to $6.50
c_hassin folds
WhoUThotWas calls $6.25
Cussewagian folds
BioX folds
APA928 raises to $10.20, and is all in
JEPOKERCLO calls $3.70
WhoUThotWas calls $3.70
*** FLOP *** [5c 7c Ac]
WhoUThotWas checks
JEPOKERCLO bets $24.50, and is all in
WhoUThotWas calls $19.15, and is all in
JEPOKERCLO shows [As Qd]
WhoUThotWas shows [Qc Kc]
APA928 shows [Ad Kd]
Uncalled bet of $5.35 returned to JEPOKERCLO
*** TURN *** [5c 7c Ac] [9s]
*** RIVER *** [5c 7c Ac 9s] [3d]
JEPOKERCLO shows a pair of Aces
WhoUThotWas shows a flush, Ace high
WhoUThotWas wins the side pot ($36.85) with a flush, Ace high
APA928 shows a pair of Aces
WhoUThotWas wins the main pot ($30.05) with a flush, Ace high
APA928 is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $69.90 Main pot $31.60. Side pot $38.30. | Rake $3
Board: [5c 7c Ac 9s 3d]
Seat 1: WhoUThotWas (small blind) showed [Qc Kc] and won ($66.90) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 2: Cussewagian (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: BioX folded before the Flop
Seat 4: APA928 showed [Ad Kd] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 5: JEPOKERCLO showed [As Qd] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 6: c_hassin (button) didn't bet (folded)


This is how it's been on Full Tilt for me for about two months now. Just keep seeming to get bat beats constantly.

ok, this brings up an interesting discussion. id like some ppls opinion.

how do you define a bad beat? from watching hellmuth and chan on TV, i have heard them say that it is when the player with the best hand WHEN THE MONEY GOES IN, loses. i stress that part because if you have ak and your opponent has aj, and the flop is aj2 and he moves in and you call,its not a bad ebat like a lot fo ppl think. although you had the better starting hand, you didnt when the money went it.

i actually got into a debatre week ago at poker4ever about bad beats. he felt it was when someone has over an 80% chance of winning and loses the hand.

i tend to agree with the first scenario but id like any opinions and comments. thank you.

Hey thanks Sonny, I was just venting. I did forget to say, that I had just cashed out $50. But it seems whenever you cash out, you get nothing but bad cards. I was playing really tight and finally caught KK, I pushed a guy all in and guess what he had...AA. I ended up getting KK again later down the road, same guy, guess what he had this time...KK, but instead of a tie, he caught a flush with his King of hearts. I guess it's just the cash out curse. Taking a couple weeks off and then I'll hit again.

LOL at the cashout curse! The problem is most people cash out after winning money so have been on a decent run then when they cash out their luck changes or the inevitable downswing and variance kicks in the start losing.

Keep at it, play your normal game and in the long run you'll win (if you are good enough)

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i actually got into a debatre week ago at poker4ever about bad beats. he felt it was when someone has over an 80% chance of winning and loses the hand.


Was this agruement with me???

It is WHEN THE MONEY GOES IN!!!!

I don't think of a beat as a "bad" beat unless someone was around 80 pecent to win when the money goes in. KK vs A3 is close but I wouldn't call it bad. A beat yes bad no.

A bad beat is when your full house is beaten by quads or your quads by a straight flush.

AA vs KK is only 80/20, 8 times out of 10 you'll win but 2 from 10 you'll be losing your cash. half of the time people blame bad beats but it is usually just bad play on both parts.

In this situation, you raise, someone re-raises substabtially and another player calls. In my limited experience you're against some big hands, probably AA and KK, why did you thnk your AKs was any good?

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I think you have to also consider stack size, bankroll size, as well as pot odds when youre talking bad beats.

For instance, if youre in a tourney and you have KQ suited and it costs you 2% of your stack for a chance to knock someone out, is it really a bad beat if you catch your card and knock him out.

If in a ring game a short stack holding AA goes all-in behind you after youve already raised the pot and it only costs you a little more to call, is it a bad beat when you might be getting 5 to 1 on your money to call even though you figure to have the worst of it.

Say you have had a bad day playing $5-$10NL and youre pissed and want to play some smaller stakes that will have little impact on your $15000 bankroll. You sit in at a $1-$2NL table putting people all in every time you have two decent cards. Someone is probably going to call you a donkey when you crack their AA with your KQ suited but it didnt really matter to you anyway as its practically no risk to your roll and youre just trying to cool off so you can go back to your regular game.

Just my opinion, I believe all-in preflop with AK in a ring game is a bad decision. Especially when youve been reraised and called by two other people. Given they are loose players, but you have to at least give credit for one of them having a pair and/or one of them an ace. You have to figure that youre going to need to catch an A or K to have any chance and then you may still be drawing dead if you catch. In a tourney situation where youre back is against the wall is different, but i think here you need to fold and wait for a better situation. I think youre initial raise was just fine, but you have to believe youre in trouble after seeing the action behind you. You need to be able to see a flop with AK. Even testing the waters with a bet after missing the flop is ok, but if youre called or reraised I think you need to slow down or fold there also.