Why do the poker gods torture me ?

Was gonna use the converter but now sure really how so anyways I played this hand just the way I wanted and of course I get bombed.

Full Tilt Poker Game #743788508: $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go (4919895), Table 1 - 30/60 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:33:04 ET - 2006/06/25
Seat 2: mostman (1,300)
Seat 5: sourstevesour (6,330)
Seat 7: JRP2X (930)
Seat 8: DrOldSchool (3,430)
Seat 9: Schronce (1,510)
JRP2X posts the small blind of 30
DrOldSchool posts the big blind of 60
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Schronce [Kc Kd]
Schronce raises to 120
mostman folds
sourstevesour calls 120
sourstevesour: nh guys
JRP2X folds
DrOldSchool calls 60
*** FLOP *** [9d Ah Ks]
DrOldSchool checks
Schronce checks
sourstevesour bets 390
DrOldSchool folds
Schronce calls 390
*** TURN *** [9d Ah Ks] [Ad]
Schronce checks
sourstevesour bets 1,170
Schronce calls 1,000, and is all in
sourstevesour shows [Td Ac]
Schronce shows [Kc Kd]
Uncalled bet of 170 returned to sourstevesour
*** RIVER *** [9d Ah Ks Ad] [Ts]
sourstevesour shows a full house, Aces full of Tens
Schronce shows a full house, Kings full of Aces
sourstevesour wins the pot (3,170) with a full house, Aces full of Tens

Go figure.......I know he had some outs with his Ace but I knew I was heavily favored.

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The only thing worst than getting a bad beat is getting outplayed...

I'm at least raising the flop here or even pushing all-in. Whether that's the right thing to do I am not sure but that would be my play.

He catches one of his 4 outs on the river and is lucky. I'd love to know what he put you on.

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Don't think there was anyway around the hand going the way it did Tee after the flop.....I'm just surprised to see such a low pre-flop raise....I will never pass to a 2xBB raise if I have cards......However I may well lay down A10o to a large 4/5 times raise.....I feel you have to find out what your Kings are up against out there ie:who has the ace/aces even.

You were in a strong chip position with a strong starting hand but played it quite weakly IMO and invited callers into the pot with you....not something I like doing with kings.....the check on the flop was good but surely it could only be a trap....I would of come back over the top all in.....hoping that he had hit his ace and doesn't improve.....but then if he had called my large pre-flop raise then I would have to be at least putting on Ace high kicker or a good pkt pair and believe that I am in front and force him either to commit the rest of his stack or he would have to fold.....of course once he hit his 1st ace he is calling no matter what.......as he would prob put you on Ks maybe after your pre-flop mini raise.....so as I say the outcome would have been the same......but maybe could have been avoided with more aggressive play pre-flop.

With kings slow play is so dangerous you may as well just call the BB than raise 2xBB (any raise really 2xBB is not a great raise or threat IMO) or come out all guns blazing......I have just won a pot with pkt kings as I was writing this post (I know multi tasking...lol)

Here is how I play them.......


Stage #432438474 Tourney ID 1149009 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit $60 - 2006-06-26 08:07:28 (ET)
Table: 5 (Real Money) Seat #9 is the dealer
Seat 2 - BESSER30 ($580 in chips)
Seat 3 - MICHPOKERMAN ($1445 in chips)
Seat 4 - GREATARM ($2590 in chips)
Seat 5 - RZA320NH2 ($6955 in chips)
Seat 6 - SONNYCHIBA05 ($1355 in chips)
Seat 7 - XXGNZXX ($960 in chips)
Seat 8 - BUFFALOMN ($3260 in chips)
Seat 9 - BUDMAN4 ($1750 in chips)
BESSER30 - Posts small blind $30
MICHPOKERMAN - Posts big blind $60
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to SONNYCHIBA05 [Kc Kd]
GREATARM - Folds
RZA320NH2 - Folds
SONNYCHIBA05 - Raises $300 to $300
XXGNZXX - Folds
BUFFALOMN - Folds
BUDMAN4 - Folds
BESSER30 - All-In(Raise) $550 to $580
MICHPOKERMAN - Folds
SONNYCHIBA05 - Calls $280
*** FLOP *** [4c As 6d]
*** TURN *** [4c As 6d] [10h]
*** RIVER *** [4c As 6d 10h] [Ac]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
BESSER30 - Shows [5s 5c] (Two Pair, aces and fives)
SONNYCHIBA05 - Shows [Kc Kd] (Two Pair, aces and kings)
SONNYCHIBA05 Collects $1220 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($1220)
Board [4c As 6d 10h Ac]
Seat 2: BESSER30 (small blind) HI:lost with Two Pair, aces and fives [5s 5c - B,B,P,P,B]
Seat 3: MICHPOKERMAN (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: GREATARM Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 5: RZA320NH2 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: SONNYCHIBA05 won Total ($1220) HI$1220) with Two Pair, aces and kings [Kc Kd - B,B,P,P,B]
Seat 7: XXGNZXX Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 8: BUFFALOMN Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 9: BUDMAN4 (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS


I play like this as I want to find the ace....if I happen to come up against pkt aces then so be but more often than not I have found it safer to over bet them a bit and get a better idea what you are up against.....and if someone comes back over the top I feel that my cards are good enough to call with....as it should be with anytime you make a raise...unless your buying it of course!

Of course as always this is all IMO.....

I agree that the preflop raise was too small here- 4/5xBB raise and maybe folds his A10.

However I don't agree with Sonnychiba about the check on the flop being a good. After a decent preflop raise, I'd of made a resonable bet post-flop. Here's a great chance to build a pot and I think you should use that chance, looking to get maximum value for your hand.


What are you putting him on when he bets the flop?

Well basically the guy was in every hand so I decided to min. raise and if no Ace hit on flop I was lead into him, and hoped he raised because he had been aggresive the whole match. I then hit the K on flop and hoped he had hit something. So I went for the trap play and checked both the flop and turn, and once he put me all in on the turn I was pretty sure he had an Ace and had him beat.

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Hi Sonny , I disgareed when you wrote that 'the check on the flop was good' I believe it wasn't a good move. We all have different opinions on how to play a hand and I was giving mine. I wasn't claiming to be correct but this is what the forum is all about -and it's healthy when we can discuss differences of opinion.

I didn't follow your previous post-I don't see how I changed the scenario.

We both agreed about the preflop raise. After the flop I think I would have played the hand differently-irrespective of the preflop raise. The final outcome may of been the same-who knows. I just don't get the check.If you've got him beat or you think youve got him beat then in most cases I think you should go for the chips.

My question' What are you putting him on after he bets the flop' was meant for Tee really but I think it's a valid question. If you put him on A(something) and you still think your ahead then I think you should raise there. There seems to be too many risks to just call. What is important I think, is there seems to be no reason to think he isnt playing A9 or AK.

Tee got some bad luck on the river but it may of been the case that his opponent doesn't get to see the river if a raise comes after the flop. Hard to risk your tourney with A10.

I just feel that in similar hands, the check trap amounts to risk taking and/or you win small pots. A raise builds your pot, can buy you information and puts you in a stronger position in the hand.