would you have escaped this on the river?

PokerStars Game #5245286060: Tournament #26352118, $15+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Match Round II, Level II (15/30) - 2006/06/13 - 20:16:09 (ET)
Table '26352118 1' 10-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 2: allin3421 (5195 in chips)
Seat 3: jakeman2 (2805 in chips)
Seat 4: acbgo (1615 in chips)
Seat 6: Scottishben (2525 in chips)
Seat 9: Tyson4564 (2860 in chips)
jakeman2: posts small blind 15
acbgo: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Scottishben [4h 4s]
Scottishben: raises 30 to 60
Tyson4564: folds
allin3421: calls 60
jakeman2: calls 45
acbgo: calls 30
*** FLOP *** [9d Ad 4c]
jakeman2: checks
acbgo: checks
Scottishben: bets 30
allin3421: calls 30
jakeman2: calls 30
acbgo: folds
*** TURN *** [9d Ad 4c] [Tc]
jakeman2: checks
Scottishben: bets 120
allin3421: calls 120
jakeman2: folds
*** RIVER *** [9d Ad 4c Tc] [Qs]
Scottishben: bets 540
allin3421: raises 4445 to 4985 and is all-in
Scottishben: calls 1775 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
allin3421: shows [Kd Jc] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
Scottishben: shows [4h 4s] (three of a kind, Fours)
Scottishben said, "gg"
allin3421 collected 5200 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5200 | Rake 0
Board [9d Ad 4c Tc Qs]
Seat 2: allin3421 (button) showed [Kd Jc] and won (5200) with a straight, Ten to Ace
Seat 3: jakeman2 (small blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 4: acbgo (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: Scottishben showed [4h 4s] and lost with three of a kind, Fours
Seat 9: Tyson4564 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

a hand or two a go i stole a pot of a similar size with a bet on the river when i knew i was beat if called. I thought my bet was a set up play for bigger $$$.

This was a double shootout 2nd round 4th is money back (worth 20% extra as bought in with W$ and W$ are worth about 80% of value). 2nd and third get 72$ and first is 650$W.

Think this is just one of those hands that you have to lose but wondering if anyone would have escaped if we assume that you would play the hand as i did until the river.

i overbet the turn. i dont fold the river on that board. i think ur mistake was betting weak, lots of draws.

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EuroBet - revolutionv

thats just my style virtue for ever time i lose as a result there are loads where i win big - it does not change the fact though that it was a big reraise from him for me to call.

This had not been a tight game we have had 5 people out and are just on the second blind level - play was not poor but everyone was all out for first and hands (even top pair) were being bet strongly. With more specific reads I think that i could have folded the hand comfortably - there were a couple of hands where the guy MIGHT have been chasing but equally well he could have had a good hand and folded fearing stronger ones before.

yea it was a big reraise but he could have anything, two pair would've been my guess here. AQ maybe AT. I don't fold this river but I usually push the turn harder. I agree with your analysis though.

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EuroBet - revolutionv

Ya Ben, don't think you can fold that river. For me it would all depend on how the guy plays top pair or top two pair. If I was up against RiverRat I fold that hand almost everytime, if I was playing you I'd probably call

Personally, if the style of the game was that everyone was betting strongly, I would have check-called the flop and check-raised the turn. You can bet the draw would be been bet if you hadn't started it out, and if play truly was solid, they would be able to fold the check raise, knowing they're outs were few.

That's a tough one. It's hard to walk away from a flopped set (or is it trips? I always get that backwards!). The problem is that you really don't have a feel for what your opponents are playing here with the smallish bets (especially on the flop).

I know you said it's your style, and I can respect that. I'd have either checked-raised or bet more on the flop to gauge how strong your opponents were. With that said, at the end, I could say I would have folded. As those who have played with me would say, that'd be a 98% lie...I can't lay down three of a kind.

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I honestly can't answer your question, Ben. You had multiple straight and 2 flush draws on the turn, so I wouldn't have played it the way you did....at either the flop or the turn.

I agree its tough to lay down a set (its a set stripes/wbtczn ), but it seems like he was definitely playing either a good draw or a made hand at flop/turn, and the major re-raise with one of the draws hitting seems like a giveaway. But then again, as you said, it had been an aggressive game.

TZB

PS: How's that for a good non-answer to generate some discussion???

I would have bet the pot on the flop, and at least the pot on the turn or more than likely would have went all in on the turn with 2 flush draws on the board. I would have had so much money in by then (probably all of it) that I definitely wouldnt have folded the river.