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Old 06-04-2006, 05:45 AM
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PokerStars Game #5145956341: Tournament #25875970, $35+$3 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2006/06/04 - 00:33:21 (ET)
Table '25875970 1' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: phatlat (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: ZachD009 (1500 in chips)
Seat 3: mortalwound (1500 in chips)
Seat 4: oll00ll00llo (1500 in chips)
Seat 5: lbmiii (1500 in chips)
Seat 6: xtra money2 (1500 in chips)
ZachD009: posts small blind 10
mortalwound: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to xtra money2 [3c 4s]
oll00ll00llo: folds
lbmiii: calls 20
xtra money2: folds
xtra money2 said, "ty gl"
phatlat: raises 40 to 60
ZachD009: raises 390 to 450
mortalwound: folds
lbmiii: calls 430
oll00ll00llo said, "PHAT, come back !!!"
phatlat: calls 390
*** FLOP *** [Ks Ts 6s]
ZachD009: bets 1050 and is all-in
lbmiii: calls 1050 and is all-in
phatlat: calls 1050 and is all-in
phatlat said, "2J?"
*** TURN *** [Ks Ts 6s] [8h]
phatlat said, "2J?"
*** RIVER *** [Ks Ts 6s 8h] [9c]
phatlat said, "2J?"
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ZachD009: shows [Kh As] (a pair of Kings)
lbmiii: shows [2s Js] (a flush, King high)
phatlat: shows [Kc Ah] (a pair of Kings)
ZachD009 said, "what a joke"
lbmiii collected 4520 from pot
oll00ll00llo said, "dzam... 2fore the price of one"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4520 | Rake 0
Board [Ks Ts 6s 8h 9c]
Seat 1: phatlat (button) showed [Kc Ah] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 2: ZachD009 (small blind) showed [Kh As] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 3: mortalwound (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: oll00ll00llo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: lbmiii showed [2s Js] and won (4520) with a flush, King high
Seat 6: xtra money2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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Only if I had gills would I have played that hand. First level of blinds and he flat calls 390 with a J-deuce suited. It doesn't get anymore fishy than that.
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But it was suited! I had to look a second time to the beginning of that hand history. I figured it must have been a $5 game. It was a $35 game! Wow -- I don't have that kind of bankroll that I can be so loose to speculate on J2s.
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mmm terrible play all round there.

Firstly though I have recently been engaging in flights of fancy about major calls preflop earlish in tourneys. Whilst it seems terrible strategy to me it does have its plusses.

factoring in the times you could bluff a pot and the times you can hit there are a wide range of trash hands that are almost playable. If someone bets 1/3 of your chips on what you suspect is a premium hand that they will not be able to fold post flop then you are losing 500 chips a lot of the time but gaining 1500 when you hit. These odds are no way near good enough even with positional advantage for 2js to be playable but it does show that by the time you factor in implied odds and bluffs there are a lot of calls that are more playable to someone willing to risk losing a load of chips. Early on people are also more willing to call the all ins from short stacks so you can probably get to 2000 on a 60+ %er. Still terrible play

Also wtf is the third guy doing calling here. Three spades on the board - two guys gone all in surely top pair is not going to be good enough - you are looking at a flush, aa etc. This call here is terrible. I do not like the all in on the flop either so whilst j2s is terrible I would say that the call of the all in was almost as bad.
  
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While you might argue that you have an opportunity to bust the guy if you hit, you certainly can't consider losing 1/3 of your stack worth it. Even with implied odds your not getting any where near enough equity to do it. If he has a high PP you'll need the magical 2 pair flop to continue, which runs around 50:1 (well 3:1 online but that is for a different discussion).
I think people mistake what they see pro's doing in deep stack tournaments and apply it to games they play online, where the structures don't support that type of play.
  
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