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Old 03-22-2006, 09:16 PM
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I really get confused by this. Maybe someone has some ideas. I refer to the action after the river card.


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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with , .
UTG calls, 1 fold, MP1 raises, Hero 3-bets, 5 folds, UTG caps, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (13.40 SB) , , (3 players)
UTG checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, UTG calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (8.20 BB) (3 players)
UTG checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, UTG calls, MP1 calls.

River: (11.20 BB) (3 players)
UTG bets, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

I understand the third club is a scare card for the flush draw, but in this case the person who bet out did not have the flush so what is the purpose? This is a limit game and the bettor cannot possibly believe I am going to fold because he bet out on the river can he? It is one final bet for me and nothing more.

If this was NL then a major bet on the river is going to force me into thinking about it for a bit. I could understand the bet then, but in limit it makes no sense to me. Do you see this often? Does anyone have an idea as to the why?


Final Pot: 14.20 BB


UTG has Jh Qs (high card, ace).
MP1 has Js Jd (one pair, jacks).
Hero has Ad Kc (one pair, aces).
Outcome: Hero wins 14.20 BB.
  
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Id say its someone who knows very little about limit. What did he have? Did he have a 3 or a 4 in his hand hoping to hit the gutshot? Im wondering why he stayed in in the 1st place without the flush draw, having no ace and/or no PP... he had to figure someone had the A so he was calling figuring he needed 2 runners on the flop bet and calling dead on the turn (barring 2 spades) unless he did have the gutshot (just curious )

Makes me think of a play that I always find to be 2nd rate but Ill save it for another thread.
  
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What did he have?
UTG has Jh Qs (high card, ace).
MP1 has Js Jd (one pair, jacks).
Hero has Ad Kc (one pair, aces).
  
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I can understand MP1 staying with the J's, but I'm with you Starlight about the JQ. He didn't make his straight on the river so he should have folded with just Q high.

I would suspect that he's a newbie and is learning so I'd probably cut a bit of slack. I'd also make sure I got his name so I could look him up at the tables. ;-)
  
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Id say its someone who knows very little about limit
I'm thinking this is exactly what happened. It's probably someone new to poker or at the very least, new to limit holdem. What about his preflop play? UTG limped, then capped the betting when raised and reraised to him. That's a pretty terrible play with any hand less than premium (basically any hand less than AA, KK, or AK because that would not be smart with QQ and JJ).

It's confusing as hell to see players make very strange and bad plays, but just take a note on him and adjust your play when you get in a hand against him again. Hey, there were no bad beats and the best hand on the flop won the pot.

Also, what about the third player? His play was very bad. Preflop, the reraise is questionable. If I have a good read on the raiser that he makes a lot of preflop raises, in his situation, I might make a reraise. I might just call in his situation. On the flop and each round after, that opponent has to know that at least one of you has an ace. It's tough at times, but players have to learn to fold higher pocket pairs when the flop brings even just one overcard.
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