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03-16-2006, 07:48 AM
| | | | what was he thinking? crazy $50.00 hand I had go my way earlier.. what kind of fool would do what he did seriously It boggles my mind.. check it out Quote:
PokerStars Game #4304620998: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2006/03/16 - 01:37:53 (ET)
Table 'Archid V' Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: cardsfan04 ($18.95 in chips)
Seat 2: El NiNo 510 ($53.15 in chips)
Seat 3: vm000024 ($9.40 in chips)
Seat 4: esteffen25 ($24.50 in chips)
Seat 5: Kenny717 ($38.20 in chips)
Seat 7: Twofloyd ($4.50 in chips)
Seat 8: MaxJason ($35.10 in chips)
Seat 9: RvRdAgN ($24.15 in chips)
MaxJason: posts small blind $0.10
RvRdAgN: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Kenny717 [Ts Qh]
phloem leaves the table
cardsfan04: folds
El NiNo 510: calls $0.25
vm000024: calls $0.25
esteffen25: raises $0.75 to $1
Kenny717: calls $1
Twofloyd: folds
esteffen25 said, "you're cleaning up nino"
MaxJason: folds
RvRdAgN: folds
El NiNo 510: calls $0.75
vm000024: folds
*** FLOP *** [8c 2s 9c]
El NiNo 510: bets $1.25
esteffen25: raises $3.25 to $4.50
Kenny717: calls $4.50
El NiNo 510: folds
*** TURN *** [8c 2s 9c] [Jd]
esteffen25: checks
Kenny717: checks
*** RIVER *** [8c 2s 9c Jd] [5d]
esteffen25: bets $5
Kenny717: raises $9 to $14
esteffen25: raises $5 to $19 and is all-in
Kenny717: calls $5
*** SHOW DOWN ***
esteffen25: shows [7d 7s] (a pair of Sevens)
Kenny717: shows [Ts Qh] (a straight, Eight to Queen)
Kenny717 collected $49.30 from pot
Shark_8_u joins the table at seat #6
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $51.85 | Rake $2.55
Board [8c 2s 9c Jd 5d]
Seat 1: cardsfan04 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: El NiNo 510 folded on the Flop
Seat 3: vm000024 folded before Flop
Seat 4: esteffen25 showed [7d 7s] and lost with a pair of Sevens
Seat 5: Kenny717 showed [Ts Qh] and won ($49.30) with a straight, Eight to Queen
Seat 7: Twofloyd (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: MaxJason (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: RvRdAgN (big blind) folded before Flop
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03-16-2006, 07:56 AM
| | | | no offense, but what were you doing? on the flop you called a reraise with an inside straight draw? dont get me wrong, his play was terrible too, but calling large raises with gutshots will lose you major money in the long run.
glad it worked out for you this time though.... | |
03-16-2006, 08:01 AM
| | | | I know its shady lookin.. but Mr. Steffen there rebuyed with $20 at the same table 3 times in about a half hours time. I got Q,T and I gambled with it.. felt like I could throw him around a little since I watched him spend about $60+ at this table while I was there.. I dont think I would've done It if it wasnt for that, something about people like that when I see them doing that I like to gamble with them.. it usually pays off like you see here, this isnt a everyday thing... so there ya go my explanation  | |
03-16-2006, 02:07 PM
| | | | i dont wanna rag on you man but your play was equally as bad.
i would have folded pre flop. 10Q can withstand no pressure ....particularly when a raise comes before you.
At the flop someone raised and then reraised and then you called with a gutshot straight draw....not to mention there was a flush draw there. You had to fold there. Its a no brainer.
Think about it. When the reraise came to you it cost you $4.50 to call a pot with $9 in it. Then you need to remember the the guy who was the original raiser is still to go...there was a good chance that he could have reraised. Then you remember as well that you have nothing but two overcards and a gutshot. Though i dont think you can actually count your overcards as outs as with two people raising each other i would be thinking that one of them has a high pocket pair so even if you hit your jack or queen you could be beat. So in reality only a jack could have helped you.
Also, when you hit your wonder card on the turn and were sitting in late position you checked. You were taking a huge risk here with two flush cards out there. You had to bet. We'll never know what the guy who raised and then folded had but theres a chance he had a flush draw and he was betting into the pot on a semi bluff
i think your analogy of why you played this hand could get you into a lot of trouble. By the looks of it this guy was loose as hell and trying to buy pots by reraising people so you had the right idea to try and bully him when you got a chance....but you simply did not have the hand or the flop to do this here. It paid off but you took a huge risk and more often than not all you will achieved would be to have gave this guy more money.
Again, i dont wanna diss you man but if you realise why your play was bad i think you'll save yourself a lot of cash in the long run 
Last edited by fonzerelli_79; 03-16-2006 at 02:10 PM.
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03-16-2006, 03:44 PM
| | | | Players like this are looking for someone to give their money to and it makes you want to be in hands with them so you can be the recipient of their generosity. But you have to tread carefully, remember even a blind squirrel finds a nut from time to time. You have to have the patience to wait for the right hands to mix it up with these type of players. Remember that they can be in any hand with literally any two cards, so no matter what the board, it could potentially be a great board for their hand.
Yesterday you posted that you had a crappy day. This hand you ended up at the river with the nuts, but as the posts above illustrate clearly, you made some not so great decisions getting there. Plays like this will give you more crappy days.
We all like to hunt the fish, but when you swim among the fish long enough it's easy to start acting like a fish. And once you do that, then it's someone else who is hunting us. Poker takes an immense amount of patience and discipline. I've been at tables with the juiciest of fish and just drooling over their stack of chips. I've watched while they give their money away freely to other players and just not gotten to the cards before they bust out to get my piece of the pie. It's frustrating, but there are a lot of fish swimming the poker tables of the internet. If one gets away, there will be another that you can catch.
__________________ Nobody is always a winner, and anybody who says he is, is either a liar or doesn't play poker. -- Amarillo Slim You say how could I make that call? How could you make that bet? We're playing poker, not solitaire. -- Doyle Brunson | |
03-16-2006, 05:01 PM
| | | | I understand.. I know I shouldnt have been in the hand but I was ready to gamble.. I had a decent chance to catch my card, I know I got lucky.. and Its not like I do this everytime.. hand after that I folded pocket aces to a huge raise.. donno sometimes I take chances, just like the rest of us.. | |
03-16-2006, 05:37 PM
| | | | Kenny, remember this hand when you take a bad beat that costs you $50. It's going to happen, you are going to get pissed. Keep a print out of this hand next to your computer for when that happens.
So, you wanted to "bully him around?" Then why not raise on the flop? I'm assuming you thought you had 10 outs? You dont throw someone around by calling, you throw them around by putting pressure back on them and making them make a decision.
And not to be mean, there were 2 fish playing this hand. One got lucky. You say that you "Had a good chance to hit your card." I dont see that. I see about %16 to hit the straight. I'm guessing your overcards would have been no good against the other 2 players. Grumbar makes good points here. Take note. And remember this hand when you get a real bad beat by someone that shouldn't have been in the hand. Because in all seriousness, especially after the flop, you should not have been in this hand.
Thee's nothing wrong with "taking chances" thats what the game is about really. but knowing when the chances are good is key.
Again, not being mean, just giving my 2 cents.
__________________ I Paraphrase Voltaire: "I may not agree with your fish- like plays, but I would die for your right to pay off my nuts..." or something like that. | |
03-16-2006, 06:44 PM
| | | | Blang, a bad beat can be given to you, me, the next guy.. I just liked my chances here.. I usually play Q,To and Q,Ts.. I had the $ to see the flop, It wasnt a big deal to me at this point.. the flop comes and I see that a J,7 would've completed my straight and maybe I was a little quiet with the money.. even though I was just waiting for him to throw a raise in my face that I knew was coming because I watched him do it 75% of the hands I was at this table for.. and he did, I called taking that chance Id see one of the two cards to make my hand or at least top pair.. I took a chance, maybe not the best time too.. but there wouldnt be poker and there wouldnt be poker players If it wasnt for taking chances sometimes.. aint that why they call it gambling?
Last edited by Kenny717; 03-16-2006 at 06:52 PM.
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03-16-2006, 09:46 PM
| | | | Kenny, not trying to bad talk you, man. Just giving you some advice on how to NOT lose money over the long run. Yep, it's gambling, and chances have to be taken. But if you keep track of it over time, you will lose ALOT more money over the long term calling pot sized bets with that flop. Heck, you will lose money cold caling with Q10o or Q10s over the long term. It isnt that good of a starting hand. But I certainly wont blame you for calling pre-flop with it there. Its not the worst hand to see a cheap flop with.
The biggest mistake that poker players make is thinking that winning a hand makes it a good play. And look at the flop again. Hitting a 7 was no good to you.
In short, I can understand the call pre-flop. But the call on the flop bet was pretty loose and might be something you should consider. It will cost you money over time. Even with your $25 head start. Am I the end all of poker wisdom? Nope. But I think I have the respect of most of my oppnents, and I've been around the block winning AND losing. There ARE places to gamble. This one turned out nice for you. But if you pick your spots better, you will find more of them turning out nice.
THAT is poker. Having a "feeling" about getting lucky is for craps and roulette.
__________________ I Paraphrase Voltaire: "I may not agree with your fish- like plays, but I would die for your right to pay off my nuts..." or something like that. | |
03-17-2006, 06:59 PM
| | | | I personally don't even understand ever being in this hand, with a raise behind you pre-flop, I get out of the way, and fast.
Same thing happens on the turn. You're praying for a 4-outer to hit- praying at the tune of five bucks. Play like that should be praying at the Cathedral of St. Jude, because it's a lost cause in the long-term. If you keep playing gut-shots at this price every time you can, you'll lose everything eventually. It's just not a money making play.
Oh, and when you make the nuts on the turn... bet them. Don't let him suck you out on the river (a 10 falls, and K-Q has you dominated, a Q, and it's K-10 that destroys you, if he had been sitting on trips, the board pairing would ahve destroyed you, and you'd never have seen it coming.) | | | Thread Tools | Search this Thread | | | |
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