New Expirement
Posted 05-15-2008 at 04:40 AM by Blackinks
Haven't played much, just had a lot of personal stuff going on. Did have some success in some home games recently, and it got me thinking....
In one of the live sessions, I noticed some
frustration from my opponents when I would play big bet poker. I studied up some on different cash game styles, bouncing back and forth, and managed to turn a $40 investment into around $650 in just a couple of weeks playing home games.
The theory that I'm testing out is what effect overbetting will have on a table. My general guideline is that I'll play extremely loose preflop, but generally pretty tight postflop. I always raise preflop a minimum of 6-12x preflop if it's a raising hand. My raising hands are any paint in late position (limp pot), any suited A, any pocket pair, or any one or two gap suited connectors (in position). If I'm re-raised preflop, I'll generally dump the weaker stuff out of position (around 70%/30%), but call if in position.
Postflop, I'm making bets generally at a minimum pot size, and quite often 1.5-3x the size of pot. While this is a mistake (I do realize that), my goal is to lure my opponents into making even bigger mistakes. So far it has seemed to work quite well.
Last night I started with $10 on stars, and I want to test the theory out playing only .01/.02 NL. As I refine it, I'll move up, but for now, micro is plenty fine. My $10 grew to $22 last night, after about an hour or two.
Here a few examples, and my thinking:
PokerStars Game #17412757487: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2008/05/13 - 21:28:26 (ET)
Table 'Diotima II' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: chrissylius ($2.68 in chips)
Seat 2: Blackinks ($4.42 in chips)
Seat 3: Stu_Mac89 ($0.95 in chips)
Seat 4: xiaodandan ($4.98 in chips)
Seat 5: kwalk1148 ($2.30 in chips)
xiaodandan: posts small blind $0.01
kwalk1148: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Blackinks [Ac Ks]
chrissylius: calls $0.02
Blackinks: raises $0.14 to $0.16
Stu_Mac89: raises $0.24 to $0.40
xiaodandan: folds
kwalk1148: calls $0.38
chrissylius: folds
Blackinks: raises $4.02 to $4.42 and is all-in
Stu_Mac89: calls $0.55 and is all-in
kwalk1148: calls $1.90 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($2.12) returned to Blackinks
*** FLOP *** [6d Jd 8c]
*** TURN *** [6d Jd 8c] [Kd]
*** RIVER *** [6d Jd 8c Kd] [3c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
kwalk1148: shows [Kh Th] (a pair of Kings)
Blackinks: shows [Ac Ks] (a pair of Kings - Ace kicker)
Blackinks collected $2.55 from side pot
Stu_Mac89: mucks hand
Blackinks collected $2.78 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $5.58 Main pot $2.78. Side pot $2.55. | Rake $0.25
Board [6d Jd 8c Kd 3c]
Seat 2: Blackinks showed [Ac Ks] and won ($5.33) with a pair of Kings
Seat 3: Stu_Mac89 (button) mucked [Qs Qc]
Seat 5: kwalk1148 (big blind) showed [Kh Th] and lost with a pair of Kings
I'd rather play here against kwalk, as he was the bigger tilt. But Stu's stack is small enough I'm not worried about him too much either. My race wins a decent little pot. I'm now starting to notice players coming in and leaving at a regular pace after a few hands. Only bad part is this is the first hand where I made a siginificant stack increase.
PokerStars Game #17412935766: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2008/05/13 - 21:37:21 (ET)
Table 'Diotima II' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: chrissylius ($2.41 in chips)
Seat 2: Blackinks ($7.85 in chips)
Seat 3: Tokuan ($4.90 in chips)
Seat 4: xiaodandan ($4.99 in chips)
Seat 5: hollywoodlmg ($3.27 in chips)
Seat 6: obieeee ($0.75 in chips)
xiaodandan: posts small blind $0.01
hollywoodlmg: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Blackinks [5s 6s]
obieeee: folds
chrissylius: calls $0.02
Blackinks: raises $0.10 to $0.12
Tokuan: folds
xiaodandan: folds
hollywoodlmg: folds
chrissylius: calls $0.10
*** FLOP *** [2s Jc Kh]
chrissylius: checks
Blackinks: checks
*** TURN *** [2s Jc Kh] [Qs]
chrissylius: checks
Blackinks: checks
*** RIVER *** [2s Jc Kh Qs] [As]
chrissylius: checks
Blackinks: bets $0.40
chrissylius: calls $0.40
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Blackinks: shows [5s 6s] (a flush, Ace high)
chrissylius: mucks hand
Blackinks collected $1.02 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1.07 | Rake $0.05
Board [2s Jc Kh Qs As]
Seat 1: chrissylius mucked [Ac Jh]
Seat 2: Blackinks showed [5s 6s] and won ($1.02) with a flush, Ace high
A funny little overbet on the end when weak play allowed me to hit on a runner runner flush. His horrible play allowed me to get more than I should have really.
PokerStars Game #17413338920: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2008/05/13 - 21:57:14 (ET)
Table 'Diotima II' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: chrissylius ($1.23 in chips)
Seat 2: Blackinks ($8.82 in chips)
Seat 3: Tokuan ($5.63 in chips)
Seat 4: carrierwomen ($0.92 in chips)
Seat 5: hollywoodlmg ($2.15 in chips)
Seat 6: cassh3rn ($5.51 in chips)
chrissylius: posts small blind $0.01
Blackinks: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Blackinks [8h As]
Tokuan: folds
carrierwomen: raises $0.08 to $0.10
hollywoodlmg: calls $0.10
cassh3rn: calls $0.10
chrissylius: calls $0.09
Blackinks: calls $0.08
*** FLOP *** [5c 7s 8c]
chrissylius: checks
Blackinks: bets $0.24
carrierwomen: folds
hollywoodlmg: calls $0.24
cassh3rn: calls $0.24
chrissylius: raises $0.89 to $1.13 and is all-in
Blackinks: calls $0.89
hollywoodlmg: calls $0.89
cassh3rn: calls $0.89
*** TURN *** [5c 7s 8c] [8d]
Blackinks: bets $0.91
hollywoodlmg: calls $0.91
cassh3rn: calls $0.91
*** RIVER *** [5c 7s 8c 8d] [3c]
Blackinks: checks
hollywoodlmg: bets $0.01 and is all-in
cassh3rn: raises $3.36 to $3.37 and is all-in
Blackinks: calls $3.37
*** SHOW DOWN ***
cassh3rn: shows [Ac Tc] (a flush, Ace high)
Blackinks: mucks hand
cassh3rn collected $6.37 from side pot-2
hollywoodlmg: mucks hand
cassh3rn collected $2.66 from side pot-1
chrissylius: mucks hand
chrissylius leaves the table
cassh3rn collected $4.77 from main pot
Blackinks said, "nice catch"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $14.50 Main pot $4.77. Side pot-1 $2.66. Side pot-2 $6.37. | Rake $0.70
Board [5c 7s 8c 8d 3c]
Seat 1: chrissylius (small blind) mucked [5h 7h]
Seat 2: Blackinks (big blind) mucked [8h As]
Seat 5: hollywoodlmg mucked [Qc Jc]
Seat 6: cassh3rn (button) showed [Ac Tc] and won ($13.80) with a flush, Ace high
Horrible call by me on the end. I totally screwed up not moving in on the turn, especially since I called him on the end. No defense for my own stupidity here.
PokerStars Game #17414047093: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2008/05/13 - 22:31:44 (ET)
Table 'Diotima II' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 2: Blackinks ($6.62 in chips)
Seat 4: HezioN ($4 in chips)
Seat 6: cassh3rn ($11.26 in chips)
HezioN: posts small blind $0.01
cassh3rn: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Blackinks [Jd Qc]
Blackinks: calls $0.02
HezioN: folds
cassh3rn: raises $0.12 to $0.14
Blackinks: calls $0.12
*** FLOP *** [4s Td As]
cassh3rn: bets $0.24
Blackinks: calls $0.24
*** TURN *** [4s Td As] [Qd]
cassh3rn: bets $0.24
Blackinks: calls $0.24
*** RIVER *** [4s Td As Qd] [Kh]
cassh3rn: checks
Blackinks: bets $2
cassh3rn: calls $2
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Blackinks: shows [Jd Qc] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
cassh3rn: mucks hand
Blackinks collected $5 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $5.25 | Rake $0.25
Board [4s Td As Qd Kh]
Seat 2: Blackinks (button) showed [Jd Qc] and won ($5) with a straight, Ten to Ace
Seat 6: cassh3rn (big blind) mucked [Qs Kc]
Notice the villian cassh3rn... by this point he's playing my game. His strategy totally changed, and he's playing my game. I hated my flop and turn play (too weak), but the river bet was perfect. This hand tilted him all to shit, and set up this next hand.
PokerStars Game #17414079820: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2008/05/13 - 22:33:14 (ET)
Table 'Diotima II' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: vince_cab ($0.98 in chips)
Seat 2: Blackinks ($8.93 in chips)
Seat 3: zednik#1 ($1 in chips)
Seat 4: HezioN ($3.96 in chips)
Seat 5: VVidget ($1.20 in chips)
Seat 6: cassh3rn ($8.76 in chips)
vince_cab: posts small blind $0.01
Blackinks: posts big blind $0.02
zednik#1: posts big blind $0.02
VVidget: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Blackinks [Ad Ah]
zednik#1: checks
HezioN: folds
VVidget: checks
cassh3rn: raises $0.18 to $0.20
vince_cab: folds
Blackinks: raises $0.80 to $1
zednik#1: folds
VVidget: folds
cassh3rn: calls $0.80
*** FLOP *** [Ks Ac Kd]
vince_cab leaves the table
Blackinks: checks
cassh3rn: bets $7.76 and is all-in
Blackinks: calls $7.76
*** TURN *** [Ks Ac Kd] [6s]
*** RIVER *** [Ks Ac Kd 6s] [5h]
Blackinks said, "game"
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Blackinks: shows [Ad Ah] (a full house, Aces full of Kings)
cassh3rn: mucks hand
Blackinks collected $16.72 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $17.57 | Rake $0.85
Board [Ks Ac Kd 6s 5h]
Seat 1: vince_cab (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Blackinks (big blind) showed [Ad Ah] and won ($16.72) with a full house, Aces full of Kings
Seat 6: cassh3rn (button) mucked [As Th]
It's very interesting that he chose to push on the flop... behind to so many hands, and no value there, as I still believe the only hand that can call that bet is the hand that is ahead.
Don't really have a set goal in mind right now. Just want to see what it does to people. Feel free to give me your views.
In one of the live sessions, I noticed some
frustration from my opponents when I would play big bet poker. I studied up some on different cash game styles, bouncing back and forth, and managed to turn a $40 investment into around $650 in just a couple of weeks playing home games.
The theory that I'm testing out is what effect overbetting will have on a table. My general guideline is that I'll play extremely loose preflop, but generally pretty tight postflop. I always raise preflop a minimum of 6-12x preflop if it's a raising hand. My raising hands are any paint in late position (limp pot), any suited A, any pocket pair, or any one or two gap suited connectors (in position). If I'm re-raised preflop, I'll generally dump the weaker stuff out of position (around 70%/30%), but call if in position.
Postflop, I'm making bets generally at a minimum pot size, and quite often 1.5-3x the size of pot. While this is a mistake (I do realize that), my goal is to lure my opponents into making even bigger mistakes. So far it has seemed to work quite well.
Last night I started with $10 on stars, and I want to test the theory out playing only .01/.02 NL. As I refine it, I'll move up, but for now, micro is plenty fine. My $10 grew to $22 last night, after about an hour or two.
Here a few examples, and my thinking:
PokerStars Game #17412757487: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2008/05/13 - 21:28:26 (ET)
Table 'Diotima II' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: chrissylius ($2.68 in chips)
Seat 2: Blackinks ($4.42 in chips)
Seat 3: Stu_Mac89 ($0.95 in chips)
Seat 4: xiaodandan ($4.98 in chips)
Seat 5: kwalk1148 ($2.30 in chips)
xiaodandan: posts small blind $0.01
kwalk1148: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Blackinks [Ac Ks]
chrissylius: calls $0.02
Blackinks: raises $0.14 to $0.16
Stu_Mac89: raises $0.24 to $0.40
xiaodandan: folds
kwalk1148: calls $0.38
chrissylius: folds
Blackinks: raises $4.02 to $4.42 and is all-in
Stu_Mac89: calls $0.55 and is all-in
kwalk1148: calls $1.90 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($2.12) returned to Blackinks
*** FLOP *** [6d Jd 8c]
*** TURN *** [6d Jd 8c] [Kd]
*** RIVER *** [6d Jd 8c Kd] [3c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
kwalk1148: shows [Kh Th] (a pair of Kings)
Blackinks: shows [Ac Ks] (a pair of Kings - Ace kicker)
Blackinks collected $2.55 from side pot
Stu_Mac89: mucks hand
Blackinks collected $2.78 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $5.58 Main pot $2.78. Side pot $2.55. | Rake $0.25
Board [6d Jd 8c Kd 3c]
Seat 2: Blackinks showed [Ac Ks] and won ($5.33) with a pair of Kings
Seat 3: Stu_Mac89 (button) mucked [Qs Qc]
Seat 5: kwalk1148 (big blind) showed [Kh Th] and lost with a pair of Kings
I'd rather play here against kwalk, as he was the bigger tilt. But Stu's stack is small enough I'm not worried about him too much either. My race wins a decent little pot. I'm now starting to notice players coming in and leaving at a regular pace after a few hands. Only bad part is this is the first hand where I made a siginificant stack increase.
PokerStars Game #17412935766: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2008/05/13 - 21:37:21 (ET)
Table 'Diotima II' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: chrissylius ($2.41 in chips)
Seat 2: Blackinks ($7.85 in chips)
Seat 3: Tokuan ($4.90 in chips)
Seat 4: xiaodandan ($4.99 in chips)
Seat 5: hollywoodlmg ($3.27 in chips)
Seat 6: obieeee ($0.75 in chips)
xiaodandan: posts small blind $0.01
hollywoodlmg: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Blackinks [5s 6s]
obieeee: folds
chrissylius: calls $0.02
Blackinks: raises $0.10 to $0.12
Tokuan: folds
xiaodandan: folds
hollywoodlmg: folds
chrissylius: calls $0.10
*** FLOP *** [2s Jc Kh]
chrissylius: checks
Blackinks: checks
*** TURN *** [2s Jc Kh] [Qs]
chrissylius: checks
Blackinks: checks
*** RIVER *** [2s Jc Kh Qs] [As]
chrissylius: checks
Blackinks: bets $0.40
chrissylius: calls $0.40
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Blackinks: shows [5s 6s] (a flush, Ace high)
chrissylius: mucks hand
Blackinks collected $1.02 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1.07 | Rake $0.05
Board [2s Jc Kh Qs As]
Seat 1: chrissylius mucked [Ac Jh]
Seat 2: Blackinks showed [5s 6s] and won ($1.02) with a flush, Ace high
A funny little overbet on the end when weak play allowed me to hit on a runner runner flush. His horrible play allowed me to get more than I should have really.
PokerStars Game #17413338920: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2008/05/13 - 21:57:14 (ET)
Table 'Diotima II' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: chrissylius ($1.23 in chips)
Seat 2: Blackinks ($8.82 in chips)
Seat 3: Tokuan ($5.63 in chips)
Seat 4: carrierwomen ($0.92 in chips)
Seat 5: hollywoodlmg ($2.15 in chips)
Seat 6: cassh3rn ($5.51 in chips)
chrissylius: posts small blind $0.01
Blackinks: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Blackinks [8h As]
Tokuan: folds
carrierwomen: raises $0.08 to $0.10
hollywoodlmg: calls $0.10
cassh3rn: calls $0.10
chrissylius: calls $0.09
Blackinks: calls $0.08
*** FLOP *** [5c 7s 8c]
chrissylius: checks
Blackinks: bets $0.24
carrierwomen: folds
hollywoodlmg: calls $0.24
cassh3rn: calls $0.24
chrissylius: raises $0.89 to $1.13 and is all-in
Blackinks: calls $0.89
hollywoodlmg: calls $0.89
cassh3rn: calls $0.89
*** TURN *** [5c 7s 8c] [8d]
Blackinks: bets $0.91
hollywoodlmg: calls $0.91
cassh3rn: calls $0.91
*** RIVER *** [5c 7s 8c 8d] [3c]
Blackinks: checks
hollywoodlmg: bets $0.01 and is all-in
cassh3rn: raises $3.36 to $3.37 and is all-in
Blackinks: calls $3.37
*** SHOW DOWN ***
cassh3rn: shows [Ac Tc] (a flush, Ace high)
Blackinks: mucks hand
cassh3rn collected $6.37 from side pot-2
hollywoodlmg: mucks hand
cassh3rn collected $2.66 from side pot-1
chrissylius: mucks hand
chrissylius leaves the table
cassh3rn collected $4.77 from main pot
Blackinks said, "nice catch"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $14.50 Main pot $4.77. Side pot-1 $2.66. Side pot-2 $6.37. | Rake $0.70
Board [5c 7s 8c 8d 3c]
Seat 1: chrissylius (small blind) mucked [5h 7h]
Seat 2: Blackinks (big blind) mucked [8h As]
Seat 5: hollywoodlmg mucked [Qc Jc]
Seat 6: cassh3rn (button) showed [Ac Tc] and won ($13.80) with a flush, Ace high
Horrible call by me on the end. I totally screwed up not moving in on the turn, especially since I called him on the end. No defense for my own stupidity here.
PokerStars Game #17414047093: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2008/05/13 - 22:31:44 (ET)
Table 'Diotima II' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 2: Blackinks ($6.62 in chips)
Seat 4: HezioN ($4 in chips)
Seat 6: cassh3rn ($11.26 in chips)
HezioN: posts small blind $0.01
cassh3rn: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Blackinks [Jd Qc]
Blackinks: calls $0.02
HezioN: folds
cassh3rn: raises $0.12 to $0.14
Blackinks: calls $0.12
*** FLOP *** [4s Td As]
cassh3rn: bets $0.24
Blackinks: calls $0.24
*** TURN *** [4s Td As] [Qd]
cassh3rn: bets $0.24
Blackinks: calls $0.24
*** RIVER *** [4s Td As Qd] [Kh]
cassh3rn: checks
Blackinks: bets $2
cassh3rn: calls $2
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Blackinks: shows [Jd Qc] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
cassh3rn: mucks hand
Blackinks collected $5 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $5.25 | Rake $0.25
Board [4s Td As Qd Kh]
Seat 2: Blackinks (button) showed [Jd Qc] and won ($5) with a straight, Ten to Ace
Seat 6: cassh3rn (big blind) mucked [Qs Kc]
Notice the villian cassh3rn... by this point he's playing my game. His strategy totally changed, and he's playing my game. I hated my flop and turn play (too weak), but the river bet was perfect. This hand tilted him all to shit, and set up this next hand.
PokerStars Game #17414079820: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2008/05/13 - 22:33:14 (ET)
Table 'Diotima II' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: vince_cab ($0.98 in chips)
Seat 2: Blackinks ($8.93 in chips)
Seat 3: zednik#1 ($1 in chips)
Seat 4: HezioN ($3.96 in chips)
Seat 5: VVidget ($1.20 in chips)
Seat 6: cassh3rn ($8.76 in chips)
vince_cab: posts small blind $0.01
Blackinks: posts big blind $0.02
zednik#1: posts big blind $0.02
VVidget: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Blackinks [Ad Ah]
zednik#1: checks
HezioN: folds
VVidget: checks
cassh3rn: raises $0.18 to $0.20
vince_cab: folds
Blackinks: raises $0.80 to $1
zednik#1: folds
VVidget: folds
cassh3rn: calls $0.80
*** FLOP *** [Ks Ac Kd]
vince_cab leaves the table
Blackinks: checks
cassh3rn: bets $7.76 and is all-in
Blackinks: calls $7.76
*** TURN *** [Ks Ac Kd] [6s]
*** RIVER *** [Ks Ac Kd 6s] [5h]
Blackinks said, "game"
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Blackinks: shows [Ad Ah] (a full house, Aces full of Kings)
cassh3rn: mucks hand
Blackinks collected $16.72 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $17.57 | Rake $0.85
Board [Ks Ac Kd 6s 5h]
Seat 1: vince_cab (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Blackinks (big blind) showed [Ad Ah] and won ($16.72) with a full house, Aces full of Kings
Seat 6: cassh3rn (button) mucked [As Th]
It's very interesting that he chose to push on the flop... behind to so many hands, and no value there, as I still believe the only hand that can call that bet is the hand that is ahead.
Don't really have a set goal in mind right now. Just want to see what it does to people. Feel free to give me your views.
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 |  Very interesting strategy, I don't know if it'll work at the higher limits (when people figure out its a move of strength and not a bluff overbet - weaker players dont usually pay attention) but i'l be watching closely with great interest. Good luck  |
Posted 05-15-2008 at 05:00 AM by JayC170  |
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