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11-16-2005, 11:42 AM
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Could someone explain to me what happens when a player does not have enough money to pay either the small or big blind.
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11-16-2005, 06:19 PM
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In a tournament you would be put all in and in a ring game you would sit out. | | |
11-16-2005, 10:46 PM
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 You would not win the entire pot if you happen to win the hand. You can only win the amount you place in the pot that is matched by the number of players who call you, so you can theoreticaly double-up, triple-up and so on depending on how many callers you had. | | |
11-16-2005, 11:11 PM
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I like for people to draw me pictures, so I'll draw a picture to answer your question.
Let's say blinds are $100/$200 and you have $50. Let's also say you are in the big blind so you need to put $200 in the pot, but only have $50. Your $50 goes in and you are all in.
Now let's say that two other people call the big blind and the small blind comes in for the minimum as well. So player one puts $200 in the pot, player two puts $200 in the pot and the small blind puts $200 in the pot. With your $50 there is now $650 total in the pot. But it has to be split. Since you went all in with $50 then you can only win that amount from each of the other players. So the main pot (the pot you are playing for) is $200, $50 from you, $50 from player one, $50 from player two and $50 from the small blind. The side pot is the remaining $450. Any one of the other players can win the side pot, but you cannot, even if you have a better hand then all of them.
Any betting they do (you can't do any betting because you are out of chips) all goes into the side pot. If someone during the betting ends up all in and betting continues above that amount, an additional side pot can be created. I've seen situations with as many as 5 side pots in addition to the main pot. It's easy for the computer to sort all that out, but imagine being a dealer with all those people pushing different amounts into the middle and trying to sort it all out! | | |
12-11-2007, 03:09 PM
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Ok, pretty much everything you have said is correct. I would add to what you said about even if you have a better hand than the other players you don't win the side pot as well. This is kinda half true, the fact is you MUST have a better hand than everyone else to win the main pot which is all you can win. The first thing that happens is to see who has the better hand out of the other people to see what side pots they win. After that if any of them have a better hand than you then they win the main pot. If theres a split pot for the side pot and they have a better hand than you they are going to split your main pot.
I am a Tournament Director and as far as sorting out main pots and side pots there are as far as I know 2 ways of doing it but once you have a system that works for you it is done so quickly the players don't have a chance to say "So when do we show our cards?"
Another point I think that needs to be said is that sometimes when there is a 3 or more way all in preflop or at the flop they don't want to bother with sorting out who gets what, sorting out the main and side pots, so they just say, lets play it to the end and see who wins. They think this is a good idea because if the monster stack has the best hand he is going to win the lot anyway.... all of everyones stacks cause he has so much. But I have seen in Live Tournaments so many people cheating when this happens. Always sort out main and side pots before the cards are dealt. And make sure that the pots are pushed into the centre or in front of the right people who can win that pot so its clear. If this is done then theres no chance of cheating and keeps the integrety into the game. I saw a guy that should have had 75 left over but his mate scraped an extra 500 from the pot back because the hand was over and they saw who won and lost before they sorted out the main pot. Anyway this guy ended up having 575 left over instead of 75 and because of that he made it to the Final Table. With 75 left over and the blinds are 50/100 you don't have any realistic chance of winning the tournament. | | |
12-12-2007, 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by WiredDragon I am a Tournament Director and as far as sorting out main pots and side pots there are as far as I know 2 ways of doing it but once you have a system that works for you it is done so quickly the players don't have a chance to say "So when do we show our cards?"
| Where are you a tournament director and how does one become a tournament director? | | |
12-12-2007, 03:35 PM
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Well when I started back at University this year, what I realised is there is no Poker Club. And there were lots of people including myself that wanted to start up a club but I think they were all full of talk. So I decided to step up and organise one cause nothing was happening. It took a lot of research online for equipment and things like that, most of the work to get things going was at the start which I did all by myself. But once things were moving it was smooth sailing from there. All I needed to do was record peoples placings and give them the oppropriate points, update it to a database and send weekly updates of the top 15 list to our members. So I created Wollongong University Poker League at Wollongong University in Australia. It just so happened shortly after I was getting things organised Pokerstars had contacted our University for us to have Poker Tournaments and offer us the Univeristy Poker Challenge that a number of Australian Universities also had a chance to compete in. We had to work out the Top 6 best players who qualify to play in an online APPT Final. My brother qualified and came 3rd in this final event so it was the closest he has ever come to winning a seat into a Million Dollar Tournament. I qualified and played as well, my Nut Flush was beaten by Quads. Pokerstars provided us with Awesome Tables, Poker Chips, Poker Stars shirts and Bluff Magazines. I provided the cards because the cards they had were crap. They were A-Plus Large Index playing cards. Not the kind you usually see at the Casino. I was Tournament director for Wollongong University Poker League but I was also playing as well. The thing is I wasn't being paid to run the club it was all voluntary. There was no way to get around this problem, who is going to run a poker tournament for 17 weeks and get nothing in the process but experience when they could play and possibly qualify to play for a Million Dollar Tournament? So, yeah I didn't actually get a Job as a Tournament Director, I just created a Poker League at a University. All Universities have Clubs and Societies which are designed to help the social aspect of Univeristy Life.
When I play our local games at pubs and clubs so many times in the middle of the game I might be quickly sorting out side pots for a hand and someone says "You should get a job working for Australian Poker League" Thing is if I do I would not be able to play. I would not be able to qualify for State Championships and not be able to play and possibly win a seat into the Wild Turkey of Champions, which is the only Million Dollar Tournament in the world were you can play live poker and win big money playing for Free.
To become a Tournament Director I think you first need to have a solid foundation of the game and learn the rules that are used at your local live poker tournaments. While playing always take the opportunity to do things like sorting out main pots/Side Pots, work out whos hand is the best, take the opportunites that come by to teach people about poker, things they want to learn. Take opportunites to be a Celebrety Dealer and learn how to make the Final Game go quicker for the players and minimise mistakes that usually happen on the Final Table. Doing all these things and more gives you experience of the game and can put you in a position that you know what you need to know to get a job being a Tournament Director. | | | Thread Tools | Search this Thread | | | | 
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