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Old 05-02-2005, 06:27 PM
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ok lets say i have pocket 4s,and the flop comes k-10-2(not that i would be very likely to find myself in this standing)since i have 2 cards left to draw on would my fours be worth 2 outs or 2 outs times 2 cards to come for a total of 4?

also i have been averaging my finishes in the play money tourneys on pokerstars.what is a good average finish in the 10k against 18?how about the 25k against 9?or the 2k against 45?i have actually made my play bankroll grow playing these tourneys so i feel thats good,but what is par for a consistant player.i have only been playing hold em' for a month so i am skeptical about what seems an easily beatable game.will my finishes change dramatically from the 25k play money tourneys and the lower stakes real money tourneys?

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Outs are constant...1 card to come or 10 cards to come...of course unless they are hit...then they go down, never up. Odds change, not outs!

As to the second question...I have no clue, I don't play, play money.
  
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As Crapshoot stated, the outs remain the same, but the odds will change. For example the odds of you catching one of the fours to make trips are greater with two cards to come than they are with only the river left. And so you know, with a pocket pair you are only about 19% to hit your set. If you don't hit it on the flop the odds are much lower and if you don't feel you have the best hand you should fold (unless you are playing me, you should go all in and give me your money ).

As for finishing position. If you place in the money that is a good finish. Whether it be play money or real money. Your main goal in any game is to win. If you play well and get to the money and bust out on a solid play, there is no shame in it. The two worst places to finish are dead last and on the bubble (1 out of the money). When you increase your level of play there is a transition period. Play money is very loose compared to real money. At the higher levels of play money, the play becomes more realistic, much like the lower limits of real money. Every poker player will hit a unlucky streak and will have swings in their bankroll, but if you can play consistent enough to keep your bankroll level or above level, then you are playing good.

Always keep in mind that while play money is good to learn the basics of the game, until you play for real you will not know how good your skills are. With play money you have nothing to lose except pride.
  
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But with play money you also have all that.... play money... to lose. THINK OF ALL THE PLAY FAMILIES WHO HAVE PLAY CHILDREN TO FEED! Who know's what's really good until you try. If you're serious about getting into playing online then test it out. If you're only interested because you think you can make a quick buck without much effort, then don't even bother. I personally don't have any intention of playing real money online.
  
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Actually its around a 12% of hitting it on the flop, if you don't muck them, no point in chasing on the river... Persoanlly I have never deposited any money, and have around 250 bucks online... Play freerolls, earn a bit, but don't spend it right away, hang on to it, tell you can play in a 1-5$ Multi table tourney, and try to build from there... That is what I did anyways.
  
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