Button Movement

Button movement on home games Tournament Style.

Lets say.

Clockwise rotation


Seat 1 - SB
Seat 2 - BB
Seat 3 - Button

How would you do this scenario if lets say Seat 3 was eliminated during that hand?

Or lets say what would happen if Seat 1 gets eliminated or if Seat 2 is eliminated. What are the "official" rules for this type of situation?

Also lets say there's

Seat 1 - SB
Seat 2 - BB
Seat 3
Seat 4
Seat 5 - Button

If seat 3 or 4 is eliminated button moves accordingly.
What if Seat 1 is eliminated? Does seat 2 become button and not pay small blind?

I know there are a few rules I looked up on the net but I'm not even sure which is right.

Also when playing Pokerstars the button moves and sometimes you can skip a big blind if a big blind is eliminated before yourself. So what is the "OFFICIAL" poker way?

In Holdem Poker The Dealer deals cards clockwise around the table starting with the player closest to his left. With
every new hand the dealer will continue to deal in this manner, the dealer is disguished by the player with "The Button"
This is a chip which usually has a "D" on it. This is passed round the table clockwise as after every hand.

A Blind is a compulsory bet, which is made by two players at the table to establish a starting pot. These Blinds consist of
a "small blind" and a "large blind". The Player directly left of the Player with the button will have the "Small Blind"
and the player directly left of the "Small Blind" will have the "Large Blind".

thats true zaphor but i dont think thats what hes asking

using your example, if 2 or was elimited the button would move from seat 5 to seat 1 as normal (would the bb be missed)

your second question is where the person whos supposed to be the dealer next gets elimated. With my buddies we just move the button to the next person whos still in the game - it suits all of us and if you get unlucky with it - tough luck (but i know its not the right way to do it)

however, its supposed to stay as if that person was still there - so seat 2 would be small blind and seat 3 would be big blind(someone correct me if im wrong - im so used to playing it the wrong/easy way with my buddies im not 100% sure myself!!)


...im starting to question this myself now - damn i must be tired!!

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It's a damn good question. This is what i would do, but perhaps someone who knows the official rules could post a reply to set us all straight: For your 1st question i believe:

Seat 1: SB
Seat 2: BB
Seat 3: Dealer

If seat 3 went out, seat 1 would get dealer button and post the Big Blind. Basically from there on, who ever dealt posts the Big Blind.

As far as i know, once someone is eliminated from the game (i.e. has no more chips left, they are out) they do not get the dealer button (In a tournament, they leave the table. Buy-ins may be allowed, but in this case they leave) Say for example there are 5 players:

Seat 1:
Seat 2: Dealer
Seat 3: Small Blind
Seat 4: Big Blind
Seat 5:

If seat 3 went all in and lost (had no chips left) then he's out... Seat 4 would get the dealer button (seat 5 posts SB and seat 1 posts BB):

Seat 1: Big Blind
Seat 2:
Seat 3: OUT
Seat 4: Dealer
Seat 5: Small Blind

Does that answer your question? As far as i know that is how it works anyway...

Secondly:

Seat 1 - SB
Seat 2 - BB
Seat 3 - OUT
Seat 4 - OUT
Seat 5 - Button

"If seat 3 or 4 is eliminated button moves accordingly.What if Seat 1 is eliminated? Does seat 2 become button and not pay small blind?"

Seat 2 gets the button and posts the SMALL blinds. Seat 5 posts the BIG blinds (thats assuming seat 3 and 4 are out):

Seat 1 - OUT
Seat 2 - Button and SB
Seat 3 - OUT
Seat 4 - OUT
Seat 5 - BB

Don't quote me on this, this may not be the official rules but from what i've gathered and how i've played with others, this is how it works. But i'd like to be put straight if this isn't how it goes...

R

I just got introduced to this whole concept recently in a private tournament with a $50 entry fee followed by a $1/$2 NL ring game, where people were taking things VERY seriously...

The description above is adequate for most friendly home games and represents what goes on on-line where, for example, a person getting knocked out can give someone the fortunate result of being skipped over for a blind.

In a more serious game, however, such an event could help a player survive late in a tourney or simply give him an unfair financial benefit and thus rules have been developed to prevent this.

The rules involve having additional temporary blinds, (e.g. typically an additional SB) so that noone get's skipped. But sorry, I was just learning and didn't follow all the complexities, so we'll have to wait for a real expert to provide the details.

Yah hehe I'm not sure what the real way is.. I'm just like fonz and we play with the easiest/probably wrong way of playing at home. On ONLINE play such as Pokerstars they allow you to skip blinds.. I have yet to try to play a real tourny at a casino to see what the button movement is like. But from what this one guy I played with once at a home game (he works at a casino as a black jack dealer) so I'm still NOT sure if he's correct. He said there'd be an imaginary person there. and the button will just stay and bb and sb will be posted according to as if someone was there.

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Seat 1:
Seat 2: Dealer
Seat 3: Small Blind
Seat 4: Big Blind
Seat 5:

If seat 3 went all in and lost (had no chips left) then he's out... Seat 4 would get the dealer button (seat 5 posts SB and seat 1 posts BB):
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This is wrong. Fairness is preserved by giving the button to the eliminated Seat 3; this phantom player doesn't get any cards the next hand. Effectively it's like the button doesn't move at all, but S4 gets SB and S5 gets BB which is as it should be.

Actually, depending on the site you are playing on, the button could be passed on to S4. Yes, there is a temporary advantage to S4/S5 in that they both miss a sb and bb, respectively, but on average each player at the table should gain this advantage an even number of times (At least that's the view poker sites who move the button no matter what say).

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Its a matter of the host allowing dead buttons or not. If there are dead buttons allowed, the "phantom player" is present where the person is knocked out, and no one is on the button for one hand. But if they do not allow dead buttons, then the button skips to the next player still in.