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Zac's beginner's no limit tourney poker guide

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Old 08-07-2006, 06:48 PM
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Lightbulb Zac's uplift mofo no-limit tourney poker plan

Get the books, read them all. Don't worry about memorizing every detail, just get it into your head and it will resurface later. You'll read your favorites again later anyway. Use the books (or online info) to compare the odds of hitting different hands on the flop. Learn the 4-2 rule for figuring odds for drawing hands on the turn and river. Don't stress out over learning to compare pot odds to drawing odds yet unless it just makes sense right off the bat. You'll develop a great feel for this as you play more and more and you won't have time during gameplay to make accurate comparisons anyway.
"You can't learn much by playing online" is a commonly made yet untrue statement. Stay off the money tables or you'll probably get discouraged and quit while behind. Stay off the play money ring-game tables cause their secret to success is more about all-in luck. The looseness of their play really doesn't hold much value to the student player. Instead play freerolls with a lot (2000) of players (I recomend Absolute Poker) in order to maximize game/learning time.
Immediately, focus on tightening up your game, to the point of playing too tight. Avoid playing practically any hands for the first 2 or 3 blind levels. This will thin out much of the loose play and retain enough chips to get down to business later. The remaining stages are where you are going to do your learning. Watch the players actions and learn to recognize how to adjust your play according to who's in the pot with you. When someone puts a killer move on you, celebrate! For the price of your time and chips, you just learned a move to put on other people later.
I'd say your first goal is to tighten up enough to make into the last 10% (200) of players. Accomplishing this consistently demonstrates is that you have enough skills to start winning. The longer you play, the better you'll get at adjusting your play to the ebb andd flow of various tourney stages. I recomend trying to stay right at or under the average chip stack amount and focusing on winning big chip pots.
Once you start bubbling out, you'll be mad but don't despair. Now is the time to learn how and when to loosen up your early tourney play so that as you approach the bubble, you can get into the money with 1 or 2 winning hands. I know that most books talk about aggressive play. First learn to play tight. That will allow you more learning game time. Then adding the agressiveness AT THE RIGHT TIMES will put you into final tables.
You've got at least a year to learn right? That should get you started, heh. I could spend months fleshing this out with more specific tips but the books will handle that. This is more of a flow chart than a users manual gl all

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I like it Zac. I agree the easiest way to learn the game is to start out playing tight and then loosening up as you learn to play a little better.
  
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Thanks for the reply Bsquad. Of course this is just what worked for me. I'm sure there are better ideas floating around out there.
I think most serious new players want definitive answers to so many questions and ultimately find that while slinging chips, nothing is definitive. All the reading in the world will only get you so far, you gotta get experience. I'm advocating a method that is free to play, easily available, and maximizes a beginner's exposure to decent play. I would like to do a more in-depth breakdown in the Strategy forum but I may have to spend more time finding a job first before my wife murders me! (interview tomorrow... and my stack's getting low ><)

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what is the 4-2 rule for figuring odds for drawing hands on the turn and river, or where can i find this online. I'm reading fixed limit ringed poker books right now, so i know how to apply regular odds in a normal ringed game.
thanks for any advice, i don't feel like getting a tourny book right now as i only play freerolls, and sit & go's, and I try to avoid drawing hands in a sit & go
  
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Earlly tight play is essential in freerolls, far too many players call raises with spectulative hands early on so sit back and only play premium hands, and limp with medium pairs. If your stack's in good shape then I'd also see some Ax suited to mix it up, but will fold to preflop raised pots.

Don't worry about players who double or tripple up in the first few hands, often if they won those chips by pure chance, they'll play the same way every hand and lose all there chips as quickly as they made them.

As the game progresses, maybe an hour in when the field had slimmed down and the gambling players have mostly been eliminated then thats when you can look are being more aggressive and stealing pots when the conditions are right.
  
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Great post Zac, I pretty much only play tourneys, freerolls, and sng's (at this time I'm mainly playing fpp tourneys and play chip sng's; for the simple reason that what I had won in real $ I went on the cash tables with and ended up losing most of...grrrr). I've finished first in a # of them and finished at least in the money or play chips rewards, whichever applied, in quite a few as well.

I am glad I check out this post and the replies, Mingo, I see it all the time (and also am guilty of doing just that myself at times), the doubling/trippling up in the first 10-15 min of it is what I'm talking about....then it just seems like when you get another great hand and go for it, it bombs by somebody catching 2 pair or a str8 etc....then there goes what you had just recently won.

I am a fairly patient player and I know that in poker patience certainly pays off at some point lol. What kills me is just what I was saying, great hands get taken down by off the wall hands that someone decides to play, especially when the great hand is making the initial raise. Everyone to thier own type of playing style though I suppose.

I will definately be putting this here post to some kind of use.
  
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Glad someone liked this post, it took a bit heh. Sorry so long to respond but the forums went down and I just now found out they were back.

Anyway Mahdrek, you're probably gone or know this now but for anyone else here's the 4 2 rule. At the turn, multiply your outs by 4 and you will be pretty close to the actual percentage chance you have on hitting those outs. On the river you multiply by 2 instead of 4. It's just a quick way to learn to figure pot odds. Remember however that your 4x turn odds only count if you play the river card as well lol. If you have to fold on the river than your turn odds were really only like the river's, x2. Also you need to be able to adjust your outs to dead outs.. ie...

at the turn you feel like one of the 3 (unseen so far) reamining Queens will give you the best hand. So 3*4 gives you about a 12% chance to hit your Queen. But if the flop was say 3 hearts and you have the club Queen (and no other heart) you usually wouldn't count the Queen of hearts as it would probably make someone else's heart flush. So your adjusted odds drop to 2*4 or 8%. And if you think the bully is gonna push you off the river if you miss the turn you could adjust them even lower to 2*2 or 4%.

That was a simplified version. The more people in the hand, the more possible outcomes and dead outs to consider. Confusing enough? If it makes you feel better I usually no longer figure odds. I am comfortable enough with the blind structure versus stack sizes (and how I am currently playing) to know whether or not to fold, call, or raise. Plus, with experience you should be the one controlling the table and the pot sizes which makes this kind of a non-issue but it is a great tool for newer students of the game.


Narcissus, there's not an honest player alive who doesn't feel your pain but here's what someone told me once (thanks Chris )

The better your game becomes the more frequently your losses will come to bad beats. It just makes sense. So the next time some ass puts one on you just think "damn I'm good."

And my advice is to NEVER start chatting about how you got robbed. When I see someone do that, my cross hairs fall firmly on their head. I won't be nasty but I'm seeing a flashing "tilt" sign and the first chance I get to push on them with good cards I'm gonna say something rude. Hey, I'm out to win. And if you lack the discipline to control your stack I want to get it before someone else does. Not to mention (and this really kills me) if someone KNEW that their (insert good cards here) all-in was gonna be called by a table full of bad hands then why did they do it? When people chat/complain about all the donks and all the bad play that they always see I find it hard not to ask them "First day online? Well if you know about it and you expected it then why don't you adjust your game to it?"

And let's make it official, the quickest way to label yourself as a Donk is to call someone else one. You might as well throw in some statements about shifting paradigms, the internet superhighway, and how your member's only jacket makes you look hella groovey. Gag me with a fork please.

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