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Old 06-01-2006, 11:18 PM
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NO, I actually DO hate big slick.
Consistantly misses flops for me. Poker Tracker shows it as a loser - fair enough not a massive sample (about 4000 hands) but its got a long way to go before it breaks even.
Currently I'd rather have AK ahead of TT any day
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AK is easy to play wrong. I see people play it like it's the nuts all the time. It is a VERY strong starting hand and here is why. 70% of the time you are going to miss the flop with your starting cards. If you have only one opponent in the hand against you, there is a 70% chance they missed the flop. And unless they have a pocket pair, then you are ahead in the hand. When you do hit the flop with either card, you have top pair, top kicker, which is a pretty good hand to have. It's a slight dog to any pocket pair and is dominated only by two hands, AA and KK.
we should have this statement in big bold letters at the top of every page. Good post

your right about players betting hard all the way to the river even when it has missed them. By reading your post you clearly have a good understanding of how to play it but for the benefit of others ill explain why betting can become high even though the player hasnt made a pair with his ace king

now consider these scenarios

player 1 is middle position with
player 2 is sitting in late position with

both players have 2000 in chips...about average stack for the table

the blinds are at 50/100

player 1 gets dealt pocket tens and is first to act. He raises up to 350. Not wanting to jepordise his whole stack player 2 decides to call. Everyone else folds

The flop comes



since the blinds folded the pot is sitting at 850

this is the kind of situation you see poker players in a lot.

Scenario 1 :

Player 1 decides to bet 400.
Player 2 will then sit and consider the hands the other player has decides to reraise up to 800 chips

Think about what player one will be thinking about. For the other player to call in the first place he (or she) had to have a good ace or an ok pocket pair. Any queen beats his hand and if the other player has a pair jacks or better the pot is lost.
At this point the decision becomes about either folding or going allin

you will see this happen in casinos/poker-rooms from time to time. the guy with tens going all in isnt a terrible move as such - both have invested a lot in the pot and his tens could be great. From time to time you will see something like this and after the guy gets beat by AQ it looks like going all in with his tens was a terrible move. It really depends on the player but more often than not in this situation, particularly between good players, the person with the tens in this scenario would be in front as Player 2 would likely have reraised at the start had they had a top hand like kings or aces.

Scenario 2 :

Player 1 decides to check.
Player 2 puts in a contuation bet of 500 chips

what will player 1 do?


the example above shows you how someone holding ak can get involved in a large pot

you have to bear in mind though that the above example is only relevant heads up...ie two players calling. The more players in the pot the more reason someone with ak has to get out of there if the flop misses them
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Currently I'd rather have AK ahead of TT any day
Are you trying to wind me up?? TT is up $67 at the moment, miles ahead of crappy AK...
TT is the new AA!!!
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I LOVE AK it's a great hand! I had it 17 times today and i missed every flop but 2.
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Anyone who doesn't feel their pulse race a little when dealt AK is an out and out liar. It's all about knowing how to play it, which has been thoroughly covered in earlier posts, so I won't repeat it. Any stats which show it being a losing hand are only because it's mis-played.
  
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You know what I see where you are coming from but AK is a great starting hand, the problem is when you are playing below average competition that u cant put players on hands especially in ring games, and also when people dont respect your preflop raise, however if you arent going to play AK aggressively I suggest you quit playing poker all together because you are destined to fail. Its a great hand to start but you have to be willing to fold it if you miss your flop and you have an opponent that made a strong hand or you know from previous experience is going to call a bluff. I like to play it as though I have AA, if there is a realistic chance that my AA would be beat I am more than happy to lay it down, however if I miss my flop and I sense weakness in my opponent I will go ahead and raise often taking down the pot, also so many times I will be called down to the river in ring games only to find my Ace high is good because my opponent is riding his AQ or AJ all the way.
  
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I LOVE AK it's a great hand! I had it 17 times today and i missed every flop but 2.
And I'm hoping that the 2 times the flop did hit more than made up for the other 15 times it didnt...
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Default Thanks everyone!

Thanks for everyone's advice. I've been playing the AK (and AA) a little more reserved the last week or two since I made the original post, and doing better.

I'd been playing it like it was a much bigger hand than it is, especially AK offsuit.


Recently I've been raising moderately with it (3-4x BB) preflop, and then seeing what happens on the flop. If I don't hit, and someone bets I'll decide whether to call based on the number of players in the hand, and the size of the bet. Usually I'll call a small bet to see the turn. I'll fold on a larger bet, and that's saved me a lot of heartache when the AK doesn't get any help from the board.

Thanks for everyone's help and advice. It's certainly helped relieve a lot of frustration. Oh! And since I've changed my play a little I seem to be winning more often with AK than before
  
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i agree, use to be k a was a great starting hand but now in the 2 years i have been playing i have come to almost hate it ,, and as of late people are playing a lot of small connector hands and doing alot of winning, i tried this one day on absolute and it's true i plcayed crappy cards and ended up placing very well in tourney
  
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