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Old 06-11-2008, 12:07 AM
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I was playing in a charity poker event at my pub the other day, we was down to 2 tables, 8 players on each. Only first and second prize worth winning. I had about 5.6k, blinds where 600/1200 and going up next hand to 800/1600. I was big blind one raiser in mid position to 3600 by loose player but only raise with half descent hands. Folded round to me heads up i had 9 7 dimons i went all in for my last 2000 on top off the raise. Was this a right move.
  
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I don't think so. Your all-in raise PF had no chance of making him fold. Your hand is almost certainly an underdog here so your move is not a good one.

If you think, based on chip situation, you want all your chips in here then your best move is a stop and go.

Call the raise, see the flop and bet the 2000 regardless of the cards that hit. If the flop missed your opponent, which is likely, he just might fold. This way you have two ways to the win the pot. you actually hit the flop or you have fold equity.

Had you folded here and in SB you'd still have a minor amount of fold equity with 3,600 chips and you might have taken a shot that way instead.
  
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This player would not fold after the flop no matter the flop. The reason why I did this is because it was going to be heads up if I’m not against a over pair to me cards I’m pretty much granted to have 2 live cards and a live suit hopefully. And I was by far the shortest stack at the table the second shortest was about 10k but the rest had over 20k. If I folded I would have less than 3 times bb and if someone raises the next hand and a couple call I would be 4 ways instead off heads up and if I fold my sb no one will fold when I do go all in then. So I would be praying for a good hand with in 6 hands.
  
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i would have folded....you were BB so you get to see the next hand for 800 and if no good you fold with 3.6k chips left...you get 6 hands for free to catch something worth playing, and alot can happen in 6 hands
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I second everything skippy said.
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i woulda folded
  
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You didn't say what size stack your opponent has here.

However, I think this is the key factor..
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..Your all-in raise PF had no chance of making him fold. Your hand is almost certainly an underdog here so your move is not a good one.
If I added up correctly there's 11000 chips in the pot when your opponent has to act. He only has to call 2000 to contest that pot. 5.5 to 1 odds. Not likely he'll fold.
He's already raised preflop (half descent hand is your read) why get in a race for your tournament when you are highly likely to be behind.

I agree with everyone else, folding looks a much better option. I'd be
hoping for a spot to raise allin in an unopened pot, which gives you the maximum fold equity for your small stack.
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I'd be hoping for a spot to raise allin in an unopened pot, which gives you the maximum fold equity for your small stack.
That's exactly what your looking to do with 3-5 BB stack (even up to a 10 blind stack really, though obviously this would only be pushing from LP and with some kind of hand value). Your waiting for it to fold to you (preferably in LP) and then shoving any two cards. This gives you the maximum chance to take down the blinds without being called. It keeps you alive while you wait for a hand. Also, if you do happen to be called and push with 9 10 suited for example, even against AK its only 60-40 against (might even be a bit less than that 42/3 - 57) so you could easily suck out and put yourself in contention.

Like everyone else i would have folded for a situation like mentioned above, but i don't mind you gambling there. It's alot better then blinding yourself down which alot of players do.
  
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I think a fold is the right play here and I, too, agree with Skippy's reasoning. So what happened on the hand? What did your opponent have?
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You didn't say what size stack your opponent has here.

However, I think this is the key factor..


If I added up correctly there's 11000 chips in the pot when your opponent has to act. He only has to call 2000 to contest that pot. 5.5 to 1 odds. Not likely he'll fold.
He's already raised preflop (half descent hand is your read) why get in a race for your tournament when you are highly likely to be behind.

I agree with everyone else, folding looks a much better option. I'd be
hoping for a spot to raise allin in an unopened pot, which gives you the maximum fold equity for your small stack.

I understand that and my favored play in my reply was not to play the hand. However if you play a hand, all-in PF provides nothing IMHO. There is a minor chance the player folds with a stop and go. I use this play quite often and you'd be surprised how many folds you get.
  
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