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Did I play this wrong? Advice & Strategy  | | 
06-05-2008, 01:41 PM
| | | |  Did I play this wrong?
I honestly don't know what more I could have done. I came to the conclusion he was just a lucky donk.
PokerStars Game #17929257909: Tournament #90944492, $1.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2008/06/05 - 08:31:23 (ET)
Table '90944492 1' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 3: Kushara (2755 in chips)
Seat 5: CardLovinCat (3410 in chips)
Seat 6: nagypapa (5605 in chips)
Seat 9: TatyC (1730 in chips)
nagypapa: posts small blind 50
TatyC: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to CardLovinCat [Jd Jc]
Kushara: calls 100
CardLovinCat: raises 400 to 500
nagypapa: folds
TatyC: folds
Kushara: calls 400
*** FLOP *** [9h Ts 8s]
Kushara: checks
CardLovinCat: bets 1000
Kushara: calls 1000
*** TURN *** [9h Ts 8s] [8c]
Kushara: checks
CardLovinCat: bets 1300
Kushara: calls 1255 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (45) returned to CardLovinCat
*** RIVER *** [9h Ts 8s 8c] [6s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Kushara: shows [3s As] (a flush, Ace high)
CardLovinCat: shows [Jd Jc] (two pair, Jacks and Eights)
Kushara collected 5660 from pot
CardLovinCat said, "unreal"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5660 | Rake 0
Board [9h Ts 8s 8c 6s]
Seat 3: Kushara showed [3s As] and won (5660) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 5: CardLovinCat (button) showed [Jd Jc] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Eights
Seat 6: nagypapa (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: TatyC (big blind) folded before Flop | | |
06-05-2008, 02:26 PM
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 I think your play is fine. Just one of those hands.
You happened to meet someone who wanted to call off his stack on a draw. He is getting odds for his calls but it's a weak play.
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06-05-2008, 03:34 PM
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That's the thing..I didn't even think he had good odds. Thought I was making sure he didn't. I never gave him better than 2.5 to 1 and by my calculations he needed 4 to 1 to make it a good call. Am I wrong in my odds calculations? Mars?...lol | | |
06-05-2008, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by CardLovinCat  Am I wrong in my odds calculations? Mars?...lol | 
Alrighty, let's see here...
Preflop: 150 (blinds) + 100 (call) + 500 (raise) + 400 (call) = 1150, you gave him 1.875:1 odds
Flop: 1150 (already in pot) + 1000 (bet) = 2150, giving him 2.15:1 odds to call (getting the correct odds IF he was all in at this point)
Turn: 3150 (already in pot) + 1255 (bet) = 4405, giving him 3.5:1 odds to call, with 11 outs he is 23.9% or 3.18:1 to win - he *technically* is getting the correct odds.
However, being this is a tournament, making the call is a losing play, as he can't just reload with a fresh chip stack if he loses. Even if he wins, he is not guaranteed by any means a payout of 3.5:1 - assuming this is a standard 9-man SnG, he only gets that if he wins first - winning this hand will certainly help him; however there will still be 3 other players in the game, one of which still has a stack bigger than he does.
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06-06-2008, 02:40 AM
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Yes the hand was played wrong, sometimes you have to flop big pairs and then go to the river with a monster and check. | | |
06-06-2008, 03:07 AM
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Originally Posted by CLC I never gave him better than 2.5 to 1 and by my calculations he needed 4 to 1 to make it a good call. | It's a $1 tournament... odds are that your opponent isn't using advanced poker logic and/or pot odds. He very well may have called an all in on the flop with his flush draw. | | |
06-06-2008, 03:37 AM
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Originally Posted by k06mars
Alrighty, let's see here...
Preflop: 150 (blinds) + 100 (call) + 500 (raise) + 400 (call) = 1150, you gave him 1.875:1 odds
Flop: 1150 (already in pot) + 1000 (bet) = 2150, giving him 2.15:1 odds to call (getting the correct odds IF he was all in at this point)
Turn: 3150 (already in pot) + 1255 (bet) = 4405, giving him 3.5:1 odds to call, with 11 outs he is 23.9% or 3.18:1 to win - he *technically* is getting the correct odds.
However, being this is a tournament, making the call is a losing play, as he can't just reload with a fresh chip stack if he loses. Even if he wins, he is not guaranteed by any means a payout of 3.5:1 - assuming this is a standard 9-man SnG, he only gets that if he wins first - winning this hand will certainly help him; however there will still be 3 other players in the game, one of which still has a stack bigger than he does. | My calculation were close. I only came up with 10 outs and I did a real rough guess in my head on it all. If you don't mind me asking, what are the 11 outs you came up with? I got 9 spades and his A. | | |
06-06-2008, 03:39 AM
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Originally Posted by gimmemymoneyback Yes the hand was played wrong, sometimes you have to flop big pairs and then go to the river with a monster and check. | I don't understand what you are saying gimme?  | | |
06-06-2008, 03:51 AM
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Originally Posted by FinK22 It's a $1 tournament... odds are that your opponent isn't using advanced poker logic and/or pot odds. He very well may have called an all in on the flop with his flush draw. | I agree. I was happy that 7 brought up the odds because lately I am trying not to give a player good odds to call, just in case he is on the ball. Just good practice. All I thought of at the end was "I thought all the donks were knocked out already". Usually when you get down to the last 4 they are the better players. I just needed to know if I could have played it differently, but like you said he was probably committed after the flop to the end. All I could have done is pushed all-in preflop and gotten no callers which would have worked out better. | | |
06-06-2008, 03:52 AM
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Originally Posted by CardLovinCat My calculation were close. I only came up with 10 outs and I did a real rough guess in my head on it all. If you don't mind me asking, what are the 11 outs you came up with? I got 9 spades and his A. | Right - 9 spades, 3 aces = 12 outs - 1 As = 11 outs Quote:
Originally Posted by CardLovinCat I don't understand what you are saying gimme? | To go all in and lose will leave you crippled in this tourney. If villain beats you - outdraw or outplay - you are leaving this table, and fast. I'm guessing gimme is suggesting that you limit your losses to make sure that you will stay in should you lose. If villain pushes, you'll be forced to call - but until you are forced to push in so many chips, why bother?
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