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HU stats Advice & Strategy  | 
05-13-2008, 06:52 AM
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While I do enjoy Heads Up play, I must confess I'm not sure what my various stats such as PFR, etc., should be. So, here's some stats from my previous SnG on both my opponents and my own play.
I want to know a) Who am I, and who is the opponent, b) Who do you think won? and c) Tell me where you think I could use some work (i.e., too aggressive, not aggressive enough, etc.) and WHY. Obviously this would mean critiquing villain as well, since you don't know for sure who is who.
BTW, our game lasted 66 hands (so not a terribly large sample by any means, but it does give a basic idea of the playing styles):
Player 1:
VP$IP: 61
PFR: 23
Aggression factor: 1.0
Aggression frequency, flop: 34
Aggression frequency, turn: 33
Aggression frequency, river: 60
Continuation Bet: 57
Fold to CB: 38
Player 2:
VP$IP: 71
PFR: 35
Aggresion factor: 4.4
Aggression frequency, flop: 77
Aggression frequency, turn: 73
Aggression frequency, river: 45
Continuation Bet: 67
Fold to CB: 25
If anyone doesn't know what the above terms mean, here's a quick rundown:
VP$IP: Voluntarily Put $ in Pot - this includes limping from the sb as well as calling raises from the big blind
PFR: Preflop Raise - Simply put, how often you raise preflop
Aggression factor: (% Raise + % Bet) / % Call - like aggression frequency, but doesn't take into account how often you are folding
Aggression frequency: (Times Raised + Times Bet) / (Times Raised + Times Bet + Times Called + Times Folded); i.e., how often you will be aggressive when given the opportunity
Continuation bet: How often you will make a continuation bet (duh)
Fold to CB: How often you will fold to an opponent's continuation bet
..and if you didn't realize, all of the above numbers (with the exception of aggression factor) are displayed as percentages.
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1st place, March/April 2008 Sunday League
Fault always lies in the same place, my fine babies: with him weak enough to lay blame. | | |
05-13-2008, 05:48 PM
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First I think 66 hands is lengthy for HU and I don't see all that much difference in the stats for a HU game, yes player 2 is twice as aggressive, but it is really not one sided for HU. I would like to think that player 2 won, however he is not as aggressive on the river (of course, that only pertains to hands that reached the river, which in HU only a few do)...however I feel that player one won as it appears he used a more strategy game and was trapping to player 2's aggression...and player 2 was more wild with the aggression as he punched equally and more on the flops and turns.
Question...how do you get those stats from PT...I know they show up in HUD, but I don't see them in PT. I know they are in Hands, but are you getting them for individual tournaments. I also see them in player stats, but I cannot select any particular tournament...nothing is selected by clicking the tournament. I am using poker tracker 3.
Last edited by CRAPSHOOT; 05-13-2008 at 05:57 PM.
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05-13-2008, 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by CRAPSHOOT  First I think 66 hands is lengthy for HU and I don't see all that much difference in the stats for a HU game, yes player 2 is twice as aggressive, but it is really not one sided for HU. I would like to think that player 2 won, however he is not as aggressive on the river (of course, that only pertains to hands that reached the river, which in HU only a few do)...however I feel that player one won as it appears he used a more strategy game and was trapping to player 2's aggression...and player 2 was more wild with the aggression as he punched equally and more on the flops and turns.
Question...how do you get those stats from PT...I know they show up in HUD, but I don't see them in PT. I know they are in Hands, but are you getting them for individual tournaments. I also see them in player stats, but I cannot select any particular tournament.,,,noting is selected by clicking the tournament. I am using poker tracker 3. | Interesting response...Ok, I'm gonna wait for a couple more responses before I post who I am and the results.
Anyways, I actually got these stats from RealTime HUD - it basically a free (and much simpler) version of PokerTracker with HUD. Check it out here. I actually didn't do a direct copy+paste from RealTime, I simply copied the screenshot at the end of the game and posted what I saw here 
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1st place, March/April 2008 Sunday League
Fault always lies in the same place, my fine babies: with him weak enough to lay blame. | | |
05-13-2008, 06:54 PM
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Crapshoot,
All your questions about PT can be answered
1. In PT's help
2. On PT Forum
3. In PT manual | | |
05-13-2008, 07:31 PM
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LOL...Hell Rocket, then I would have to learn how to read.
You must be using a different version than mine...because before you told me to click file and go to Import Hand Histories then click email...there is only one thing under file in my version and that is EXIT. I was able to find email in another location, but it is grayed out...I emailed support and they told me that email doesn't work on my version as yet, but maybe in the future it will.. and I have to copy and paste everything. Also Auto import doesn't get the tournament information, just the hand history information....I have to copy and paste that also, but I don't know what to name the files...for hand history I just used the same names as the auto import and would change the tournament number buy-ins and dates. Such as - HH20080405 T86176606 No Limit Hold'em $200 + $15.txt
I am assuming that HH - stands for Hand History and 2008 must be my account number. But Tournament information might have a different account number as well as prefix and the number of entries must be in there somewhere
Support said to wait, there is a newer version coming out this week. I am using Poker Tracker3
Last edited by CRAPSHOOT; 05-13-2008 at 07:55 PM.
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05-13-2008, 08:16 PM
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 Interesting topic mars. a) knowing your playstyle I have to say you are player 2 because his stats show more aggressiveness. I don't know who your opponent is but he looks like a semi-loose/neutral player. b) I think player 1 won because he took the big pots on the river. You were making c-bets on the flop and turn and your opponent shoots back on the river. c) I'm not a stats man so I don't know which stats are good or what they are supposed to be when playing heads up. | | |
05-14-2008, 08:32 AM
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Hmm, I was hoping cat5cane would give some wisdom (not being sarcastic) on the subject, but o well.
I was in fact, player 2 - and I won in convincing fashion. While this game was definitely longer than the average game, I believe there were only a couple hands where I was below the average stack.
Unfortunately, I'm unable to obtain my own stats for this specific game from RealTime. You'll just have to settle for my view on how the game was played.
I like to start all heads up games as the aggressor - pretty much until I'm shown it would be wise to do otherwise, I'll start the game firing - if the player happens to be a slowplayer, or happens to simply be loose/passive, then I might lower my aggressiveness.
The downfall in my opponents game, I believe (and this is a stat you would obviously never get from reading a stat sheet) is the fact that the majority of his bets were min-bets. A min-bet preflop means pretty much nothing (so, I called with any face card or any sort of drawing hand); postflop it meant even less - I was able to obtain a fairly solid read that villain only bet the minimum when he was on a draw at best. This is pretty much the reason why my flop and turn aggressiveness was so high, yet (relatively) low on the river - I figured, by this point, villain would only call if he had made their draw (or at least a decent pair) - hence, check-calls were fairly frequent at that point.
As I played villain, it appeared he was not used to playing HU games - at least not HU SnGs - because of the fact that his bets were so small. I have no doubt that this player could be a halfway-decent 9+man SnG player (a quick sharkscope search shows his biggest ROIs are on 45-man SnGs, and is just over break-even over 311 games played), but seems to be unable to make the transition to the HU game. While villain did make the occasional preflop raise with nothing, it seemed pretty obvious he was uninterested in post-flop play unless he had hit the board in some way. This is what caused my fairly high aggression factor. Had he shown some evidence of slowplaying, I would (obviously) have to adjust my style according, perhaps become a little more passive myself (which, as anyone who knows my style knows...that realistically would never happen, and I'd probably be screwed).
I believe I played villain well; I would like to know what you guys would do, knowing that villain's stats (that's player 1!) along with the fact that the majority of his bluffs/semi-bluffs were min-bets, and seemed to play a fairly tight-passive game (for heads-up, anyway).
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