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Old 03-01-2008, 05:31 PM
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From the Full Tilt Poker newsletter written by Chris Ferguson:

Running Bad Part II - It’s Bad to Always Get Your Money in Good

In my last tip I wrote about running bad and the effect it can have on your mental state. Now I’m living it. If you’ve been following my $0 to $10K Challenge, you know it took me about nine months to turn $0 into $100 and another nine months to turn that $100 into $10,000. Even though I hit my goal, I decided to keep playing and rapidly built up to $28,000. Three months later I was down to $9K.

Obviously, I was on a very bad losing streak, but it wasn’t due to bad beats. I just kept getting my money in bad; every time I had Queens, my opponent would have Aces - every time I had AQ, they would have AK. That’s just how it goes sometimes, but getting your money in badly doesn’t always mean that you’ve done something wrong.

For example, if my opponent gets all his money in pre-flop when he’s got Kings and I’ve got Aces, does that mean he’s a bad player because he got his money in poorly? Or that I’m a great poker player because I got my money in well? Obviously the answer is no – if our roles were reversed I’d be the one going broke. We both played the hand correctly; the fact that he was behind doesn’t mean that he played it wrong. He was simply unlucky to get dealt Kings when I was dealt Aces.

Focusing too much on getting your money in good can actually be a part of playing badly overall. I hear a lot of people complain, “I always get my money in good, but I keep losing… I can’t believe it!” Most of these players just don’t remember the times they’ve gotten lucky with the worst hand. But some people actually do get their money in well a majority of the time. It may be hard to believe, but these people are experiencing the right percentage of hands they’re going to lose – it’s just that these losses result in the players getting knocked out of tournaments because they are playing too tight.

Suppose I’m playing heads up and I’m only going to go all-in with Aces, Kings or Queens. My opponent is pushing me around by raising every single hand and moving in on me with any two cards. Finally, I get a pair of Aces and he moves in again. Even if I win the hand, just think about all the chips he’s taken away from me while I was waiting for my high pocket pair.

If I’ve lost 1,000 chips to him before I put my last 1,000 in the pot - even though I have my money in good - I’m only going to win 1,000 chips back. So, I’m actually employing a poor strategy by waiting for hands that don’t come around often enough because even if I win this hand, I’m only going to break even - and there’s no guarantee that I’m going to win. Plus, the chips my opponent is putting into the pot have been accumulated from all the folding I’ve been doing, so he’s now freerolling even though he’s behind in the hand.

Great players are going to get their money in bad once in awhile, especially if they’re playing against someone who’s playing way too tight. However, they’re actually going to make money over the long run because of all the small pots they win when their opponents are unwilling to challenge their raises without a strong hand. What this means is that if you try too hard to get your money in good all of the time, you’re susceptible to being bluffed and are going to lose more often over a long period of time.

Losing stings, especially when it seems like you’re getting your chips in badly with every hand you play. Still, if you keep your calm and avoid going on tilt, it’s possible to weather a rough patch without making drastic changes to your game. Keep your focus on playing well. Even if you do find yourself “getting your money in bad” from time to time, you’ll end up a winner in the long run.
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Ahhmmm...thank you Chris, this is what I have been saying for a long time.

You can afford to lose once in a while with the chips that you took down with the small pots, which are normally less risky, more successful and less costly than those big hands....or you can sit around all day and then put your remaining chips on the line when you finally get your premium cards....play poker...not starting hands...which guarantee you nothing...in fact in most cases, you only end up with the same two cards as your hand.

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From the Full Tilt Poker newsletter written by Chris Ferguson:

Focusing too much on getting your money in good can actually be a part of playing badly overall. I hear a lot of people complain, “I always get my money in good, but I keep losing… I can’t believe it!” Most of these players just don’t remember the times they’ve gotten lucky with the worst hand. But some people actually do get their money in well a majority of the time. It may be hard to believe, but these people are experiencing the right percentage of hands they’re going to lose – it’s just that these losses result in the players getting knocked out of tournaments because they are playing too tight.
Now where have we ALL heard this before? We dont remember the times we have gotton lucky with worst hand. Experiancing the percentages of hands were going to lose..We heard this too from someone here. There are alot of members here at our forum that have offered this exact same advice to everyone..I know I have learned alot from them and from these type of articles.

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Now where have we ALL heard this before? We dont remember the times we have gotton lucky with worst hand. Experiancing the percentages of hands were going to lose..We heard this too from someone here. There are alot of members here at our forum that have offered this exact same advice to everyone..I know I have learned alot from them and from these type of articles.

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Ahhmmm...thank you Chris, this is what I have been saying for a long time.
The vast majority of what Chris said is based on HU play. For the most part, people here don't play HU poker. You can't apply HU strategy to full table play and expect to win (which is why most of your opinions face a bit of badgering).
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You can afford to lose once in a while with the chips that you took down with the small pots, which are normally less risky, more successful and less costly than those big hands....or you can sit around all day and then put your remaining chips on the line when you finally get your premium cards....play poker...not starting hands...which guarantee you nothing...in fact in most cases, you only end up with the same two cards as your hand.
I don't seem to see one place in what Chris said where he advocates playing any 2 cards alot of the time which is your stale bread and buttermilk. He does give the example of waiting for AA, KK and QQ which definately IS exactly what you say quite often. The thing is, most people don't blind out of tournaments waiting for these hands the way you insist they do...
  
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Funny to hear that advice from a very tight and conservative player like himself.


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The vast majority of what Chris said is based on HU play. For the most part, people here don't play HU poker. You can't apply HU strategy to full table play and expect to win (which is why most of your opinions face a bit of badgering).
So I can't apply HU strategy to full table play? I like to raise with cards like 64o and why shouldn't I. If I raise with AA they will fold and it isn't any different if I raise with other cards. Cards that are labeled as crap by the majority I consider as good starting hands. Hands like QJ, 65, T8, T9, 74, suited or not are great hands where I even call raises with. You have to have a good postflop play because you don't hit them very often. But if you do it's jackpot.
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So I can't apply HU strategy to full table play? I like to raise with cards like 64o and why shouldn't I. If I raise with AA they will fold and it isn't any different if I raise with other cards. Cards that are labeled as crap by the majority I consider as good starting hands. Hands like QJ, 65, T8, T9, 74, suited or not are great hands where I even call raises with. You have to have a good postflop play because you don't hit them very often. But if you do it's jackpot.
Hands like this should only be played from middle or late position unless of course your playing Loose and Aggressive at a tight table. The only time you can raise with some of those hands is when you're on the button or the cut off. Otherwise those hands are trash unless you hit some miracle cards on the flop, (something you refer to as "hitting the jackpot")
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I agree with fink22 that the strategy works better in HU play. I do like using the Steal Pot strategy by doubling or tripling the big blind. Where did you get the article Kaart? Did Chris start by winning in a freeroll and contiune to build his bankroll from there? I am interested in reading more ont the strategy.

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Seeing Chris just won the Heads Up Championship by trouncing players such as Phil Ivey, Andy Bloch, & Jonathan Little I think he knows a thing or two about heads up play.
  
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