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Old 02-02-2008, 07:07 PM
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Live NLH tournement game...preflop minimum raise made by UTG followed by 4 callers including player immediately after UTG. Flop comes, UTG checks, next player bets pot, everyone folds except UTG who raises All-In. The player has top pair (A), nut flush draw and straight draw and has more than double the All-In's chip stack? All-In is a relatively tight player.

Does the player call?
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Hmm...If I worked it out right he may have a maximum of 14 outs (or less depending) If he's twice the allins stack I could see a call as being acceptable.

I'd find it hard to say what I'd of done really without knowing the stacks/blinds, stage of tourney and any info that the player may have on his opponent.
What was on the flop?
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Tight player would make me fold , but otherwise I am a calling. Wait for my spot and a made hand that was the nuts. Looks like to many ways to lose in your description.
  
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Blinds where 400/800. Player had 5200 chips and All-In had about 1900 chips. 6 players left. No money involved (just league points).
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top pair aces?? str8 draw, flush draw???
i would call,how could you not call,or did i read it wrong
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Well, the player (me) did call. I did because of my stack and I counted 15 outs (could be wrong). I saw a chance to knock a player out. He is a good friend btw and turned over a set (he had pocket 5's). Of course I hit one of my outs on the turn (nut flush), river didn't help him and he went ballistic. He has a low threshold for losing...lol. I won't hear the end of this for at least 2 months. I believed it to be a good call, but welcome others opinion.
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Thats a good call.
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Question on the other guys play... if he had 1900 in chips after the min raise to 1600 (3500 total). He has a little over 4BB in his stack... why not push preflop? The min raise commits him to his hand. With a premium pair (10's or better) this is a good time for a stop n go (pushing on any flop), but why do it with pocket 5's?
As for your call... it's a given. 15 real outs (probably more like 12-13 after discounting the outs) still makes it a coinflop even if he did flop the set.
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Well yeah I think at those blinds and he's going for a win, I think he can call . It looks like there's a 11K pot and he's calling about 2K? He's low if he folds and he's not out if he loses.

Not sure what the flop cards are but if his outs are good he can call.

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Hadn't seen the other replies but yeah that's a good point Blackinks.
So he had trips and lost I see. I think you did the right thing Cat and he shouldn't moan at you
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i would have to say get him to read this tread,and see what he has to say about that lol
1/2 deck outs and aces up come on
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