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This is hard to believe... Absolute Poker   | | 
10-19-2007, 09:28 PM
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everywhere you go theres gonna be cheating. thats the bottom line because aproatpoker said so | | |
10-20-2007, 09:07 PM
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OK, here is a hand I have no personal beef about. It happened about 30 mins into a FR. Look at what I bolded.
1) Explain the flop betting, looks like cheating to me
2) Explain why if we buy into that, the guy got knocked out not long after
*** Handhistory for game 26006480 ***
Blinds 15/30 NL Hold'em - 20.10.2007 - 19:18
53
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players: 10
Seat 1: vlucky1 ( 1315 ) - in game
Seat 2: wesselin ( 2110 ) - in game
Seat 3: bignose ( 1470 ) - in game
Seat 4: luck76 ( 1765 ) - in game
Seat 5: nolanmc1 ( 2230 ) - in game
Seat 6: chowmain ( 1470 ) - in game
Seat 7: Aces2Burn ( 5080 ) - in game
Seat 8: to47 ( 1295 ) - in game
Seat 9: TheDog ( 2765 ) - in game
Seat 10: RacingDog ( 1405 ) - in game
wesselin posts SB $15.
bignose posts BB $30.
**** dealing down cards ****
Dealt to RacingDog [ 5©, kª ]
luck76 calls $30.
nolanmc1 calls $30.
chowmain folds.
Aces2Burn calls $30.
to47 calls $30.
TheDog calls $30.
RacingDog folds.
vlucky1 calls $30.
wesselin calls $15.
bignose folds.
**** dealing flop **** [ j§, 2©, t¨ ]
wesselin checks.
luck76 checks.
nolanmc1 checks.
Aces2Burn bets $240.
to47 folds.
TheDog calls $240.
vlucky1 folds.
wesselin folds.
luck76 calls $240.
nolanmc1 folds.
**** dealing turn **** [ 4© ]
luck76 checks.
Aces2Burn bets $960.
TheDog calls $960.
luck76 folds.
**** dealing river **** [ 4¨ ]
Aces2Burn bets $2880.
TheDog calls $1535.
Aces2Burn shows two pairs, jacks and fours [ k§, j© ].
TheDog shows three of a kind, fours [ 4§, 5§ ].
TheDog wins 5950 chips from main pot with three of a kind, fours [ j§, t¨, 4§, 4©, 4¨ ]. | | |
10-21-2007, 02:41 AM
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I found this article on poker news. I think it is interesting.
Absolute Poker: 'We Had a Security Breach'
October 19, 2007
Haley Hintze
Absolute Poker today issued a brief statement in the form of an e-mail, acknowledging that a security breach of some form had indeed occurred and giving credence to the allegations brought by a growing legion of poker players on various discussion forums.
The brief statement from Absolute comes as stories of the unfolding situation have crossed over into mainstream media outlets, including MSNBC and ABC. Reaction from posters on the various boards has been mixed, with many waiting until the appearance of the full statement from Absolute, which is expected to provide greater detail. The text of the e-mail from AP reads as follows:
Dear valued player,
Absolute Poker
has identified an internal security breach that compromised our systems for a limited period of time. The cause of the breach has been determined and completely resolved. In addition, all necessary resources, both internal and external, have been engaged to ensure this does not happen again. Our investigation is not fully concluded, and we wish to thank the extended poker community for any and all assistance related to the matter.
Game integrity has always and continues to be of the utmost importance at Absolute Poker. The Management of Absolute Poker is appalled by these findings, and is committed to our players and to the integrity of our site and the online poker industry.
All players affected by the security breach will be identified during the audit process that has been initiated and all funds, including interest, will be returned. Absolute Poker would like to apologize for the recent events and is committed to diligently working with outside security firms, auditing firms, the extended poker community and the Kahnawake Gaming Commission to ensure the situation is entirely resolved.
A comprehensive statement will be forthcoming shortly providing more details of the situation.
Last edited by ballandchain; 10-22-2007 at 09:04 AM.
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10-22-2007, 12:58 AM
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From 2+2
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October 21, 2007
Dear AP Player:
I am the former Grand Chief of the Mohawk Territory of Kahnawake and the owner of Tokwiro Enterprises ENRG, which holds a 100% interest in Absolute Poker.
As many of our players are aware, there has been a security breach in our system that allowed unlawful access to player information that resulted in unfair play. I am writing to you today to let you know what we know so far in order to set the record straight, and to assure you of AP’s commitment to player security. I am sure that this letter will not address all of the questions and concerns you may have, nor will it extinguish the heated discussion surrounding this issue. At this point, our intention is to let you know all we can disclose and to assure you of our continued efforts to keep you informed as best we can as the investigations continue.
We deeply regret this situation has occurred. A breach in security in online poker is serious and of great concern to players and the industry worldwide, and this particular situation has been the subject of debate within the poker player community and in the media, giving rise to the creation of several websites and hundreds and hundreds of comments, opinions, and theories of what occurred – some of which are accurate, and some that are not.
Like you, I have not been happy that during the initial stage of our investigation, AP has not been more forthcoming in providing a timely or comprehensive explanation on this matter, giving rise to anger, suspicion, and concern on the part of our valued customers. I hope that our customers can appreciate that this remains an incredibly complex and sensitive issue, and I want to give you my strongest possible assurance that we will be as forthcoming as possible on how this breach occurred and what we are doing to remedy the situation.
What We Know and Actions We Have Taken
AP was notified by a customer that a possible cheating incident occurred during a recent tournament, and in response forwarded players’ hand logs. This disclosure of the hand logs prompted our customers to determine that a more serious security breach had occurred. We immediately launched an internal investigation and also requested a formal audit by Gaming Associates, an acknowledged world-wide expert in audits, interactive gaming tests, and information security.
Based upon our preliminary findings, it appears that the integrity of our poker system was compromised by a high-ranking trusted consultant employed by AP whose position gave him extraordinary access to certain security systems. As has been speculated in several online forums, this consultant devised a sophisticated scheme to manipulate internal systems to access third-party computers and accounts to view hole cards of other customers during play without their knowledge. As this consultant was aware of the details of our fraud detection process, the likelihood that the scheme would be uncovered through our normal procedures was minimized. We consider this security breach to be a horrendous and inexcusable offense.
We will pay for all losses suffered by the affected players as soon as our audit is finished and the amounts are determined. Although we are in the process of attempting to recover all the winnings of this consultant, any unrecovered losses of affected players will be paid by Absolute Poker so that all affected persons will be made whole.
Next Steps
We are still investigating whether the consultant was acting alone or in concert with others, and it appears at this time that all account holders are innocent of collusion and were unaware of any wrong-doing by the consultant, who was immediately terminated. We continue to investigate this matter aggressively, and all of these preliminary findings are subject to the audits currently underway. We have recently uncovered additional accounts used by the consultant that have not been publicly reported. So as to not compromise the investigation, we are not releasing the names of these additional accounts at this time, and will contact these affected customers individually.
The specific allegations of unlawful activity are being investigated both by AP and by the authorized authorities, including the Kahnawake Gaming Commission. We will continue to actively cooperate with these authorities in full compliance with the Regulations Concerning Interactive Gaming. In addition to our own investigation and the audit by Gaming Associates, we have also submitted to an audit by the Kahnawake Gaming Commission.
Please be assured that we have corrected the problem that allowed the system to be unfairly manipulated. We are working furiously to increase the safeguards within our systems. While we are satisfied that our systems are secured, we realize that our security systems must be continuously monitored and enhanced.
Without question, this incident has been unfortunate for all concerned, and we will emerge as a stronger company. I realize it will take some time and much more information for AP to re-earn the trust and confidence of our customers who are in doubt of our commitment to the highest levels of security, privacy and integrity. As we move to address and correct this situation, our valued customers have played a vital role in uncovering this scheme through various online forums and have become an active part of the solution.
With my full sincerity, I thank you, and I promise to keep you updated as we bring this situation to a close.
Sincerely,
Joe Norton | | |
10-28-2007, 07:22 AM
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From DFP
Point-Spreads.com sources in Costa Rica are claiming the Absolute
Poker Super-User account scam has been going on for three years and
the actual amount that was skimmed from online poker players is
estimated at close to $7 million, not the 700k amount that was
previously reported. The actual amount is still unknown as an internal
audit is underway.
A former employee of Absolute Poker confirmed to Point-Spreads.com
that the security department at AP suspected something years ago and
we're told it was just the owners testing out the system and to forget
about it.
Our sources have confirmed that Scott Tom was using the Super-User to
sit at tables as an "observer" as online poker player PotRipper would
join the tournaments and Scott would tell him what cards people have
so they can win the tourney and split the money. PotRipper is Alan
"AJ" Green, formerly of Nine.com and the now former Operations
Director for Absolute Poker. Point-Spreads.com has learned AJ's real
name but has chosen to withhold it at this time. AJ is pictured with
Gambling911.com's sexy reporter Jenny Woo at an expensive dinner in
Amsterdam back in 2005.
Where did the $7 million go? On September 3rd, 2007 a small jet plane
caught on fire before taking off on the runway at San Jose Juan
Santamaria International Airport in Costa Rica. The two passengers on
the private jet were Scott Tom and his pregnant wife. His wife was
rushed to the hospital to make sure everything was alright with the
baby. The plane's destination was Colombia and the rumored cargo on
the plane was $2-3M in cash. Officials at Absolute Poker confirmed to
Point-Spreads.com that Tomm was on the jet, however, deny any money
was onboard.
While at Nine.com, AJ had a portrait done of himself that hung on his
wall over his desk. The photo was a picture of him "American Beauty'
style laying spread out on his futon covered in hundred dollar bills.
Were the bills in the photo proceeds from the Absolute Poker Super-
User scam? AJ joined the Absolute Poker team approximately one month
before Nine.com left Costa Rica for Curacao. While living in Costa
Rica, AJ bought a house in Escazu outright with cash and no one
questioned how a guy making $50k a year could do that. He invested
$100k into Absolute Poker and became a shareholder of the online poker
giant, still no on questioned where he came up with the cash. Could it
have come from the Super-User scam? We would love to ask AJ that
question, but apparently he is on the lam.
At this point, AJ Green has earned the title of the most disliked
person in the history of internet gambling? Apparently he was so
disliked by his own employees that they blew the whistle on him and
the whole scam but the real people that are pissed at him are all of
the people pushing for legitimizing the internet gambling industry at
its most needed hour. Not to mention, the online poker players he
stole from. "
Hey, but I'm glad to know someone else has a nekkid portrait of
themselves covered in $100 bills. I was begininng to think I was the
only one!
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12-26-2007, 10:21 PM
| | | | Update.. nothing's changed.. suprised?
I hate all this as AP is my favorite site. That being said I've run, mapped, administrated etc online games for many years. There is almost no thing as bug proof software and there will never be a loss of people seeking to exploit holes in the system.
AP has a history of denying anything that they can until they have no other option. Go to their (terrible) page now.. is there any news about this? No. So publicly they have acknowledged it but officially it's the expected hush hush routine. There is a link called "Easy, safe, secure" but as expected it just goes to a page where they mention all the ways you will not be cheated but none of the ways that people have been.
There is also a link to the Kahnawake Game Commission page which if you go to and click on "news" you will find several reports dating back to 17 October. Here is the latest...
"The Kahnawake Gaming Commission's investigation into the Absolute Poker situation is active and on-going. The Commission's agents, Gaming Associates, are in the process of finalizing its audit of AP's operations and will be submitting a report to the Commission of its findings. The Commission will review this report and decide the appropriate course of action. To avoid the possibility of jeopardizing its investigation, the Commission will not comment on this matter until such time as it has reached a decision. The Commission expects to receive a final copy of the audit report by December 7, 2007."
Hmmm.. final report due almost a month ago...looks like nothing's going to happen and responsibility and compensation are being thrown out the window.
The bottom line for me is pretty simple. Don't leave more money in your account than you can stand to lose. Make sure you can actually get it out. Don't sit down to play with more than you can stand to lose. Don't play on any high stakes table for long periods of time without switching to another table. And for all their talk and posturing don't expect these sites and companies to honor a damn thing they claim.
This is the WRONG time to have this sort of tight lipped indifference going on. But obviously most if not all companies (and players ?!?) care about poker legislation as how it relates to their personal bank account.
By the way, this is not the first time I have experienced bad things at AP. I posted here a while back about a glitch where big multi-table tourney players where seeing 4 or 5 of the same people at the starting table of every new tournament. We became friends and if someone was missing we wondered where they were. Ap's official answer.. lol...
They said that like shuffling, seating was completely random and what we were experiencing could not have happened.
Pretty frickin scary response if you ask me.
They're just like any US corporation.. the fat cats at the top of the food chain are making a ton of money and they simply care more about that than integrity, their customers, or the game itself.
It would be soooooo easy to catch most cheaters. Every account maintains a type of running average by game type of # of games played and money lost or won. If the number suddenly jumps, you check game histories to see what happened. In one of my online MMORPGs we monitored item production. The day that the amount of Royal Swords tripled we new to find out who did what. And if you don't know this already almost every single program, game, whatever that groups people together in some online activity has "invisible" modes for the people who run the sight. And programmers love to leave backdoors which are often just development tools that are commonly overlooked when cleaning up the code for public use.
They could also start banning people for multiple accounts (while taking their money) and that alone would kill a lot of funny stuff. How bout making transfers of money between accounts something that must be explained and approved?
The apparent solution is to allow so many things to muddy up the water that it becomes impossible later to go "see, here's what happened."
Anyway, that's my 2 cents worth. Just like All In magazine stated (if handled correctly) this could be a great thing to improve the future of AP and online poker in general. And if it's not handled right then at least now you'll be better informed to handle that moment of "Gee, do I really want to do that with my money?"
If AP had any honor they would post a direct link on their front page to assure people that 1) something happened, 2) something will be done and then later 3) what was done to fix this. Not doing so really kinda makes that "Easy, safe, secure" a pretty funny read. Safe Online Poker Gaming at Absolute Poker
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