|
Welcome to the Poker Forums.
You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!
Click here to register.
Members get :
- Access to all discussion rooms
- A Chance to participate in our private member only freerolls.
- A chance to improve their poker skills and pass on their knowledge to others.
 |
This is hard to believe... Absolute Poker   | | 
10-17-2007, 11:44 PM
| | | | 
Last time we discussed the "is it rigged" issue, I pointed out that I, as a programmer, was quite capabale, were I an insider, of rigging the software to show me the cards. There were those who didn't believe me. So excuse me for taking this opportunity of saying, told you so.
But why would an insider stop at the hole cards? The normal way of writing any card playing software is to actually simulate a deck. Once the deck is set up then viewing the cards to come is equally trivial. Just think of all those times an apparently sensible player, with no big stack as an excuse, has suddenly, and quite out of character, called your big hand on rubbish and then hit the board.
And a cheat with half a brain would chose his spot when to do that, he'd chose a weak hand that wasn't total rubbish to try to allay suspicion. For example, the other day I tried to put a guy all in when I had a boat on the turn. He called with two pair and hit a higher boat. I asked him if he couldn't see he was losing when he called. He said he was reading me for trips. In other words, with one card to come and knowing he was losing, and with only 2 outs, he still called. He also added that he knew he was going to win. I asked if he was cheating. He said he was psychic. Yeah right.
Last edited by RacingDog; 10-17-2007 at 11:54 PM.
Reason: added example
| | |
10-18-2007, 12:23 AM
| | | |
Quote:
Originally Posted by CalifNaughti  Its going to be very interesting to see what AP has to say about all this. If this happened on Absolute does it mean that this could be going on at some of the other major poker sites? Why would any poker site risk losing their online license? Imagaine if this happened at a major casino. |
It does happen at casinos. Two or more people playing as a team with hand signals. I have seen this happen all the time and basically need to stay away from this. How they do it two or more people keep raising until other players are out. Depending on the limits they could make 100 times the big blind in 3 hours each. I would say it happens more often in games $5-$10 limit or less. But it does happen. | | |
10-18-2007, 12:50 AM
| | | |
__________________
May/June '07
....Team: 7 Black Balls - Ballandchain, Blackinks & 7letters
.... Sunday League Team Champions
Nov/Dec '07
....Team: 7 Balls - Ballandchain & 7letters
....Sunday League Team Champions
....Sunday League Individual Runner Up - 7letters
Jan/Feb '08
....Sunday League Individual Runner Up - 7letters
March/April '08
....F'in rubbish - 7letters
| | |
10-18-2007, 01:36 AM
| | | | Absolute Poker Agrees to 3rd Party Audit
Info below is from Bluff Magazine.
Absolute Poker Management wishes to inform the poker community of the following information in response to the most recent claims posted over the past 48 hours on the 2+2 and Pocket Fives forums wherein again it is alleged that some person or persons breached Absolute Poker’s redundant and varying levels of game client security.
As was stated in Absolute Poker’s Official Response released on Friday October 12, 2007, Absolute Poker conducted an extensive investigation in response to the claims it was made aware of and received. The results of that investigation indicated that to the best of Absolute Poker’s knowledge, information and belief there was no security breach. Specifically, Absolute Poker’s internal investigation determined that it is impossible for any person, device, program, script or other means to see hole cards.
Based on the most recent claims that Absolute Poker has been made aware of and at the request of some of our players and business partners, Absolute Poker has agreed to retain a widely acclaimed independent third party auditor, Gaming Associates, to conduct an independent audit of Absolute Poker’s security systems. Specifically, Absolute Poker has requested that Gaming Associates conduct a thorough and extensive review of Absolute Poker’s practices and security system’s to determine whether it is possible for any person, device, program, script or other means to see hole cards thereby gaining an unfair advantage.
Absolute Poker has agreed to fully cooperate with Gaming Associates and its investigative team and to provide the above with unfettered access to all systems, protocols and databases at Absolute Poker worldwide. Absolute Poker has also agreed to allow Gaming Associate’s final report to be made available to Pocket Fives and Bluff Media for their review.
With respect to the claims that Scott Tom, a former member of Team Absolute Poker, is in anyway involved in wrong-doing, Absolute Poker has requested a formal investigation into that matter as well. Mr. Tom has not been involved with Absolute Poker for over a year and to the best of our knowledge, information and belief has not had access to any of Absolute Poker’s systems, databases or information.
Absolute Poker reserves the right to pursue any and all remedies, including both legal and equitable which may inure to it as a result of any unlawful and/or injurious actions taken by any individuals who may have falsified any information, documents, files, or have by other means attempted to disparage and/or harm Absolute Poker, its players, management, employees, business partners or affiliates.
Absolute Poker shall bear all expenses related to such investigation and is eager to learn about Gaming Associate’s findings. Absolute Poker highly values and intends to protect its players, shareholders, business partners, and affiliates.
Absolute Poker Management
__________________ Sunday League Team Champions _ April-June 2006 _ Poker4Ever Team Jack King Off
JeremyLW - Ant013 - NoBigKicker Sunday League Champion _ April-June 2006 _ Poker4Ever
Click HERE if you want to see my Yuwie page. It's like MySpace, but WAY better.  Check it out to see why.  | | |
10-18-2007, 05:38 PM
| | | |
Quote:
Originally Posted by 7letters | Watching the first video it seemed like he was aggresive with all his hands,I may be alone but in that one it didnt look like anything more than a bully winning.
__________________ RULES ARE MADE TO BE BROKEN BANNED FOR LIFE | | |
10-18-2007, 11:09 PM
| | | |
Quote:
Originally Posted by xtra Watching the first video it seemed like he was aggresive with all his hands,I may be alone but in that one it didnt look like anything more than a bully winning. | In the $1000 tourny, he was dealt 130 hands. He won 82 of them. Whoever was on the account is either one of the stupidest people in the poker world or he wanted to get AP in trouble, take your pick.
He played nearly every hand... and played every hand TO WIN. And he never once called on the river when he was beat. He never made any attempt what-so-ever to hide what he was doing.
There are too many key hands to even begin pointing them out... but the last hand should leave no question in anyones mind.
Keep in mind... this is HU in a $1000 MTT
Winner gets $30,000
There is 27,000 in the pot and the board shows    
POTRIPPER bets 13,500
CRAZYMARCO pushes all-in for 200,310 (he has   )
POTRIPPER CALLS....
with  
Now, this is the type of thing I would enjoy debating on... defending the guy, breaking down hands and reasonings... in this case I just can't
__________________
Crapshoots SNG ROI = -15%
Crapshoots MTT ROI = -35%
It's not bad luck, it's his playing style.
| | |
10-18-2007, 11:29 PM
| | | |
Quote:
Originally Posted by xtra Watching the first video it seemed like he was aggresive with all his hands,I may be alone but in that one it didnt look like anything more than a bully winning. | It was late last night when I watched some but not all of the first video xtra and I thought just the same as you - aggressive play which won pots. I saw nothing to make me think there was obvious cheating going on.
__________________
May/June '07
....Team: 7 Black Balls - Ballandchain, Blackinks & 7letters
.... Sunday League Team Champions
Nov/Dec '07
....Team: 7 Balls - Ballandchain & 7letters
....Sunday League Team Champions
....Sunday League Individual Runner Up - 7letters
Jan/Feb '08
....Sunday League Individual Runner Up - 7letters
March/April '08
....F'in rubbish - 7letters
| | |
10-19-2007, 12:10 AM
| | | |
Quote:
Originally Posted by FinK22 In the $1000 tourny, he was dealt 130 hands. He won 82 of them. Whoever was on the account is either one of the stupidest people in the poker world or he wanted to get AP in trouble, take your pick.
He played nearly every hand... and played every hand TO WIN. And he never once called on the river when he was beat. He never made any attempt what-so-ever to hide what he was doing.
There are too many key hands to even begin pointing them out... but the last hand should leave no question in anyones mind.
Keep in mind... this is HU in a $1000 MTT
Winner gets $30,000
There is 27,000 in the pot and the board shows
POTRIPPER bets 13,500
CRAZYMARCO pushes all-in for 200,310 (he has )
POTRIPPER CALLS....
with
Now, this is the type of thing I would enjoy debating on... defending the guy, breaking down hands and reasonings... in this case I just can't | I was only commenting on the first video,the last hand you showed does make it obvious...Ill watch more videos later.
In that last hand it would look like he is getting more than than the pocket cards,unless his bank is enormous at that point.
__________________ RULES ARE MADE TO BE BROKEN BANNED FOR LIFE
Last edited by xtra; 10-19-2007 at 12:23 AM.
| | |
10-19-2007, 12:41 AM
| | | |
My comment on APs response is this, it is not simply a case of auditing the security systems. The source code of their software needs to be thourougly audited. In addition a specific check has to be made that source code which they think produces their binary images actually does produce the binary image they are running as an installation engineer could substitute a doctored binary image from source code which is itself doctored and is not the official copy of the source code, the official copy being the one the auditors would see. | | |
10-19-2007, 06:47 PM
| | | |
 Found this somewhere. Don't know if it is true or not.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
The question we should be asking is - who is Scott Tom?
My clients are shareholders of Absolute Poker. Scott Tom is still very much involved in Absolute Poker.
Everyone knows Poker is not legal in the United States. Scott Tom and his American cronies manipulated the corporate structure - playing the age-old shell game - to minimize their exposure to Absolute Poker.
Scott Tom controls everything from behind the scenes. So don't believe the bull "Absolute Poker Management" throws at you - because the Management is Scott Tom.
Scott Tom receives hefty income from Absolute Poker. Looking at his high-flying lifestyle - beautiful house in Costa Rica, luxury cars, frequent private jet travel around the World, and bodyguards - we estimate his income to be in the range of millions per year.
Is Scott Tom stupid enough to cheat the players that have made him wealthy and on top - get caught cheating?
Yes. Scott Tom and his cronies are indeed foolish. Suicidal foolish...
Absolute Poker Management states "Absolute Poker highly values and intends to protect its players, shareholders, business partners, and affiliates."
Let's discuss exactly how Scott Tom and his cronies have treated shareholders. These are the people that risked their hard-earned savings to give Absolute Poker its start many years ago.
Scott Tom and his cronies have totally blown off shareholders. While they are busy flying around the World spending thousands and thousands on luxury - shareholders have seen little more than a trickle.
Today, Shareholders are totally ignored by Scott Tom and his Absolute Poker Management. Calls and emails are ignored. Shareholders have no access to Scott Tom. Behind a curtain setup by lawyers, Absolute Poker was sold to yet another shell company belonging to Scott Tom. This minimized any return shareholders can get.
Despite this, shareholders are owed USD 250,000,000. Besides his father and other relatives being paid off secretly, the common shareholder after many delays and excuses can assume only that their money will never be paid back.
Scott Tom and his cronies live in Costa Rica. A country where killing can be bought for a few thousand dollars.
Ask yourself - if you stole $250,000,000 from investors and flaunt your wealth while letting them starve - would you expect to live a long and prosperous life?
Scott Tom and his cronies think so. They think an "independent poker commission" is going to clear them and the players will come rushing back to Absolute Poker. They think legal structures and lawyers will protect them from investors who have waited for many years to get their money back.
The worse problem Scott Tom now faces is Absolute Poker might fall apart because he cheated players. And he cannot pay back investors after giving himself, his cronies, and his family years of luxurious living using money that should have been paid to investors.
Scott Tom and his cronies have no future.
There is only one way out. Pay back the players that they cheated. Pay back the investors they cheated. And do this quickly.
Time has run out for Scott Tom, his cronies, and Absolute Poker. | | | Thread Tools | Search this Thread | | | | 
Posting Rules
| You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off | | |
This room is for Absolute Poker related discussions.
All times are GMT +1. The time now is 05:38 AM. |
Latest THF threads :
     | |  |
